MX1 new Camera model

zosxavius · 01-14-2013, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by frank

Finally got time to put up some photos taken by this little beauty, you guys might wanna take a look here:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-compact-digital-film-cameras/21172...-1-camera.html

These look very nice. I don't get all the hate around this camera. There is a huge sector of the market that pentax has ignored until now and is finally addressing. People don't whine about how terrible the s110, the xz-2, and the lx7 are. Personally, sensor size aside, I would rather have the sharper, faster lens. The RX100 isn't all that great optically and to have a fast lens would have made the whole thing even bigger. There are always trade offs. This looks quite nice. I wouldn't buy one, but for the first time ever, this is a pentax compact I could actually maybe recommend asides from their waterproof cameras.

djrocks66 · 01-14-2013, 05:12 AM

Originally posted by zosxavius

These look very nice. I don't get all the hate around this camera. There is a huge sector of the market that pentax has ignored until now and is finally addressing. People don't whine about how terrible the s110, the xz-2, and the lx7 are. Personally, sensor size aside, I would rather have the sharper, faster lens. The RX100 isn't all that great optically and to have a fast lens would have made the whole thing even bigger. There are always trade offs. This looks quite nice. I wouldn't buy one, but for the first time ever, this is a pentax compact I could actually maybe recommend asides from their waterproof cameras.

Who's whining about the XZ-2? If the MX-1 was more like it I would consider getting one.

Jasvox · 01-14-2013, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by zosxavius

These look very nice. I don't get all the hate around this camera. There is a huge sector of the market that pentax has ignored until now and is finally addressing. People don't whine about how terrible the s110, the xz-2, and the lx7 are. Personally, sensor size aside, I would rather have the sharper, faster lens. The RX100 isn't all that great optically and to have a fast lens would have made the whole thing even bigger. There are always trade offs. This looks quite nice. I wouldn't buy one, but for the first time ever, this is a pentax compact I could actually maybe recommend asides from their waterproof cameras.

Where are you getting the idea the RX100 lens is slow and not all that great? It is a 1.8 at the wide angle, just like the Pentax and is branded as Carl Zeiss which has a huge reputation for excellent quality. Not to mention the sensor size is nearly twice as large in the RX100 which has to account for something. Have you checked out the RX100 shots in the "Other brands" section on this forum?

Jason

IchabodCrane · 01-14-2013, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by zosxavius

These look very nice. I don't get all the hate around this camera. There is a huge sector of the market that pentax has ignored until now and is finally addressing. People don't whine about how terrible the s110, the xz-2, and the lx7 are. Personally, sensor size aside, I would rather have the sharper, faster lens. The RX100 isn't all that great optically and to have a fast lens would have made the whole thing even bigger. There are always trade offs. This looks quite nice. I wouldn't buy one, but for the first time ever, this is a pentax compact I could actually maybe recommend asides from their waterproof cameras.

Maybe that's because the XZ-2 and LX7 have hot shoes and accessory ports to go with lenses that are as fast as the one on the MX-1. The LX7 has a smaller body, too, if that matters.

As I said elsewhere, the MX-1 will appeal most to current Pentax owners and those who know they have no use for an external flash.

AndersPS · 01-14-2013, 06:00 AM

They do nice cameras but they forget the competition! Why have a small sensor now when almost every else use a bigger one. I don´t talk about the Sony RX 1, but the ones with the APS-C sensors. Pentax has a very nice competative APS-C sensor in the K5 II, why not use that one. It´s a compact camera sensor and that segment is slowly walking to death! I've bought it if there where a bigger sensor and a hotshoe!

///Anders S

IchabodCrane · 01-14-2013, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by AndersPS

They do nice cameras but they forget the competition! Why have a small sensor now when almost every else use a bigger one. I don´t talk about the Sony RX 1, but the ones with the APS-C sensors. Pentax has a very nice competative APS-C sensor in the K5 II, why not use that one. It´s a compact camera sensor and that segment is slowly walking to death! I've bought it if there where a bigger sensor and a hotshoe!

///Anders S

Has anyone built a compact P&S zoom lens camera with an APS-C sensor? I can't think of one.

gazonk · 01-14-2013, 06:25 AM

Originally posted by IchabodCrane

Has anyone built a compact P&S zoom lens camera with an APS-C sensor? I can't think of one.

As someone pointed out, a NEX with the new collapsible power zoom isn't really much larger and heavier than the MX-1.

Docrwm · 01-14-2013, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by IchabodCrane

Has anyone built a compact P&S zoom lens camera with an APS-C sensor? I can't think of one.

Guess the K-01 doesn't count

mrNewt · 01-14-2013, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by Docrwm

Guess the K-01 doesn't count

... that's not a P&S ...

JPT · 01-14-2013, 07:41 AM

It seems to me that there quite a lot of customers who know a bit about photography/cameras and want to take good photos but don't want to get into buying lenses, flashes and carry a dedicated camera bag. This camera is for people like that. It'll be a one-off purchase and meet all their needs for a few years.

Just from looking at the design, specs and few samples, it looks like a big step up from the Pentax compacts of the past few years, such as the Optio VS20. There may be a conscious effort to differentiate Pentax compacts from the Ricoh ones. Ricoh compacts typically have a VF option, dual control dials and a ton of customisation features. Also, their design is more "serious" and less decorative. So if you feel this is a bit lightweight, I'd suggest waiting to see what they release under the Ricoh brand.

zosxavius · 01-14-2013, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by Jasvox

Where are you getting the idea the RX100 lens is slow and not all that great? It is a 1.8 at the wide angle, just like the Pentax and is branded as Carl Zeiss which has a huge reputation for excellent quality. Not to mention the sensor size is nearly twice as large in the RX100 which has to account for something. Have you checked out the RX100 shots in the "Other brands" section on this forum?

Jason

It also quickly ramps up to f5.8 at the long end. The LX7 shows better bokeh and separation at f2.3, while managing to keep the ISO lower than the sony because it is much faster. I've also read that the sony is not particularly sharp at the wide end of the range as well, but hey...I'm sure its just sample variations and zeiss can make an optically perfect f1.8-5.8 zoom that is razor sharp throughout its range across the whole frame at any aperture. Riiiiight.

Sony RX100 review | Cameralabs

The RX100 would have to be much larger to have an equivalent lens. Look at the G1-X. Slow and hard to get bokeh out of at all, despite its larger than m4/3 sensor. Most small enthusiast P&S cameras end up getting used to take pictures of people mostly. A fast lens on a smaller sensor that allows some dof control at its longest end is a lot more useful than a huge sensor with a slow lens IMO.

EDIT: OK I looked at some samples and the rx100 lens is pretty sharp even at wide end. It has some edge issues there, but really is looking decent in terms of sharpness. Fine detail looks like it was rendered with watercolor though. I'm not impressed with IQ on a pixel level at all.

Alizarine · 01-14-2013, 08:53 AM

with frank's samples out, I'm more convinced that the MX-1 is a beautiful little beast. That, and it's only beta firmware. If it improves further, then whoa it's a winner.

cali92rs · 01-14-2013, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by zosxavius

It also quickly ramps up to f5.8 at the long end. The LX7 shows better bokeh and separation at f2.3, while managing to keep the ISO lower than the sony because it is much faster. I've also read that the sony is not particularly sharp at the wide end of the range as well, but hey...I'm sure its just sample variations and zeiss can make an optically perfect f1.8-5.8 zoom that is razor sharp throughout its range across the whole frame at any aperture. Riiiiight.

Sony RX100 review | Cameralabs

The RX100 would have to be much larger to have an equivalent lens. Look at the G1-X. Slow and hard to get bokeh out of at all, despite its larger than m4/3 sensor. Most small enthusiast P&S cameras end up getting used to take pictures of people mostly. A fast lens on a smaller sensor that allows some dof control at its longest end is a lot more useful than a huge sensor with a slow lens IMO.

EDIT: OK I looked at some samples and the rx100 lens is pretty sharp even at wide end. It has some edge issues there, but really is looking decent in terms of sharpness. Fine detail looks like it was rendered with watercolor though. I'm not impressed with IQ on a pixel level at all.

I don't know where you are getting your info, but you are wrong on a lot of counts.
First off, the max aperture at the telephoto end is f4.9, NOT 5.8.

Second, you criticize a camera's IQ, before looking at samples? Seems like you've made up your opinion based on heresay, then are distorting reality to match your initial viewpoint.
If you look at this thread on this very forum, you will see that IQ is hardly lacking:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/non-pentax-cameras-canon-nikon-etc/195102...ures-here.html

Not saying that the RX100 is the perfect camera, but the IQ is generally regarded as tops in its class.

Mike Cash · 01-14-2013, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by zosxavius

These look very nice. I don't get all the hate around this camera.

Why do people misuse the word "hate" like that? Stating a disinclination to purchase the product and stating the reasons why hardly equates to "hate".

**RobA_Oz** · 01-14-2013, 05:13 PM

It's not the only word that's misused here, not to mention elsewhere. Possibly the reason is that there isn't a nice, simple word for "reflexive and instant disdain or aversion", which describes the feeling I get from reactions to anything new from Pentax that isn't what people would like to see. A single word to cover a reaction like "That's it! I'm moving to Nikon/Canon/MFT because of this!" might be helpful, too, and save us having to read (or ignore) these verbally inadequate outpourings, each time. Maybe a TLA or a new emoticon might be the answer.

01-14-2013, 08:05 AM	#461
zosxavius Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Somewhere, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 458	Originally posted by Jasvox Where are you getting the idea the RX100 lens is slow and not all that great? It is a 1.8 at the wide angle, just like the Pentax and is branded as Carl Zeiss which has a huge reputation for excellent quality. Not to mention the sensor size is nearly twice as large in the RX100 which has to account for something. Have you checked out the RX100 shots in the "Other brands" section on this forum? Jason It also quickly ramps up to f5.8 at the long end. The LX7 shows better bokeh and separation at f2.3, while managing to keep the ISO lower than the sony because it is much faster. I've also read that the sony is not particularly sharp at the wide end of the range as well, but hey...I'm sure its just sample variations and zeiss can make an optically perfect f1.8-5.8 zoom that is razor sharp throughout its range across the whole frame at any aperture. Riiiiight. Sony RX100 review \| Cameralabs The RX100 would have to be much larger to have an equivalent lens. Look at the G1-X. Slow and hard to get bokeh out of at all, despite its larger than m4/3 sensor. Most small enthusiast P&S cameras end up getting used to take pictures of people mostly. A fast lens on a smaller sensor that allows some dof control at its longest end is a lot more useful than a huge sensor with a slow lens IMO. EDIT: OK I looked at some samples and the rx100 lens is pretty sharp even at wide end. It has some edge issues there, but really is looking decent in terms of sharpness. Fine detail looks like it was rendered with watercolor though. I'm not impressed with IQ on a pixel level at all. Last edited by zosxavius; 01-14-2013 at 08:17 AM.

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01-14-2013, 05:03 AM	#451
zosxavius Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Somewhere, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 458	Originally posted by frank Finally got time to put up some photos taken by this little beauty, you guys might wanna take a look here: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-compact-digital-film-cameras/21172...-1-camera.html These look very nice. I don't get all the hate around this camera. There is a huge sector of the market that pentax has ignored until now and is finally addressing. People don't whine about how terrible the s110, the xz-2, and the lx7 are. Personally, sensor size aside, I would rather have the sharper, faster lens. The RX100 isn't all that great optically and to have a fast lens would have made the whole thing even bigger. There are always trade offs. This looks quite nice. I wouldn't buy one, but for the first time ever, this is a pentax compact I could actually maybe recommend asides from their waterproof cameras.

01-14-2013, 05:12 AM	#452
djrocks66 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 194	Originally posted by zosxavius These look very nice. I don't get all the hate around this camera. There is a huge sector of the market that pentax has ignored until now and is finally addressing. People don't whine about how terrible the s110, the xz-2, and the lx7 are. Personally, sensor size aside, I would rather have the sharper, faster lens. The RX100 isn't all that great optically and to have a fast lens would have made the whole thing even bigger. There are always trade offs. This looks quite nice. I wouldn't buy one, but for the first time ever, this is a pentax compact I could actually maybe recommend asides from their waterproof cameras. Who's whining about the XZ-2? If the MX-1 was more like it I would consider getting one.

01-14-2013, 05:18 AM	#453
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	Originally posted by zosxavius These look very nice. I don't get all the hate around this camera. There is a huge sector of the market that pentax has ignored until now and is finally addressing. People don't whine about how terrible the s110, the xz-2, and the lx7 are. Personally, sensor size aside, I would rather have the sharper, faster lens. The RX100 isn't all that great optically and to have a fast lens would have made the whole thing even bigger. There are always trade offs. This looks quite nice. I wouldn't buy one, but for the first time ever, this is a pentax compact I could actually maybe recommend asides from their waterproof cameras. Where are you getting the idea the RX100 lens is slow and not all that great? It is a 1.8 at the wide angle, just like the Pentax and is branded as Carl Zeiss which has a huge reputation for excellent quality. Not to mention the sensor size is nearly twice as large in the RX100 which has to account for something. Have you checked out the RX100 shots in the "Other brands" section on this forum? Jason

01-14-2013, 05:49 AM	#454
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by zosxavius These look very nice. I don't get all the hate around this camera. There is a huge sector of the market that pentax has ignored until now and is finally addressing. People don't whine about how terrible the s110, the xz-2, and the lx7 are. Personally, sensor size aside, I would rather have the sharper, faster lens. The RX100 isn't all that great optically and to have a fast lens would have made the whole thing even bigger. There are always trade offs. This looks quite nice. I wouldn't buy one, but for the first time ever, this is a pentax compact I could actually maybe recommend asides from their waterproof cameras. Maybe that's because the XZ-2 and LX7 have hot shoes and accessory ports to go with lenses that are as fast as the one on the MX-1. The LX7 has a smaller body, too, if that matters. As I said elsewhere, the MX-1 will appeal most to current Pentax owners and those who know they have no use for an external flash.

01-14-2013, 06:00 AM	#455
AndersPS New Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Gothenburg Posts: 24	They do nice cameras but they forget the competition! Why have a small sensor now when almost every else use a bigger one. I don´t talk about the Sony RX 1, but the ones with the APS-C sensors. Pentax has a very nice competative APS-C sensor in the K5 II, why not use that one. It´s a compact camera sensor and that segment is slowly walking to death! I've bought it if there where a bigger sensor and a hotshoe! ///Anders S

01-14-2013, 06:20 AM	#456
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by AndersPS They do nice cameras but they forget the competition! Why have a small sensor now when almost every else use a bigger one. I don´t talk about the Sony RX 1, but the ones with the APS-C sensors. Pentax has a very nice competative APS-C sensor in the K5 II, why not use that one. It´s a compact camera sensor and that segment is slowly walking to death! I've bought it if there where a bigger sensor and a hotshoe! ///Anders S Has anyone built a compact P&S zoom lens camera with an APS-C sensor? I can't think of one.

01-14-2013, 06:25 AM	#457
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by IchabodCrane Has anyone built a compact P&S zoom lens camera with an APS-C sensor? I can't think of one. As someone pointed out, a NEX with the new collapsible power zoom isn't really much larger and heavier than the MX-1.

01-14-2013, 06:46 AM	#458
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by IchabodCrane Has anyone built a compact P&S zoom lens camera with an APS-C sensor? I can't think of one. Guess the K-01 doesn't count

01-14-2013, 06:50 AM	#459
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Originally posted by Docrwm Guess the K-01 doesn't count ... that's not a P&S ...

01-14-2013, 07:41 AM	#460
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	It seems to me that there quite a lot of customers who know a bit about photography/cameras and want to take good photos but don't want to get into buying lenses, flashes and carry a dedicated camera bag. This camera is for people like that. It'll be a one-off purchase and meet all their needs for a few years. Just from looking at the design, specs and few samples, it looks like a big step up from the Pentax compacts of the past few years, such as the Optio VS20. There may be a conscious effort to differentiate Pentax compacts from the Ricoh ones. Ricoh compacts typically have a VF option, dual control dials and a ton of customisation features. Also, their design is more "serious" and less decorative. So if you feel this is a bit lightweight, I'd suggest waiting to see what they release under the Ricoh brand.

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01-14-2013, 08:53 AM	#462
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	with frank's samples out, I'm more convinced that the MX-1 is a beautiful little beast. That, and it's only beta firmware. If it improves further, then whoa it's a winner.

01-14-2013, 10:14 AM	#463
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by zosxavius It also quickly ramps up to f5.8 at the long end. The LX7 shows better bokeh and separation at f2.3, while managing to keep the ISO lower than the sony because it is much faster. I've also read that the sony is not particularly sharp at the wide end of the range as well, but hey...I'm sure its just sample variations and zeiss can make an optically perfect f1.8-5.8 zoom that is razor sharp throughout its range across the whole frame at any aperture. Riiiiight. Sony RX100 review \| Cameralabs The RX100 would have to be much larger to have an equivalent lens. Look at the G1-X. Slow and hard to get bokeh out of at all, despite its larger than m4/3 sensor. Most small enthusiast P&S cameras end up getting used to take pictures of people mostly. A fast lens on a smaller sensor that allows some dof control at its longest end is a lot more useful than a huge sensor with a slow lens IMO. EDIT: OK I looked at some samples and the rx100 lens is pretty sharp even at wide end. It has some edge issues there, but really is looking decent in terms of sharpness. Fine detail looks like it was rendered with watercolor though. I'm not impressed with IQ on a pixel level at all. I don't know where you are getting your info, but you are wrong on a lot of counts. First off, the max aperture at the telephoto end is f4.9, NOT 5.8. Second, you criticize a camera's IQ, before looking at samples? Seems like you've made up your opinion based on heresay, then are distorting reality to match your initial viewpoint. If you look at this thread on this very forum, you will see that IQ is hardly lacking: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/non-pentax-cameras-canon-nikon-etc/195102...ures-here.html Not saying that the RX100 is the perfect camera, but the IQ is generally regarded as tops in its class.

01-14-2013, 04:40 PM	#464
Mike Cash Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,950	Originally posted by zosxavius These look very nice. I don't get all the hate around this camera. Why do people misuse the word "hate" like that? Stating a disinclination to purchase the product and stating the reasons why hardly equates to "hate".

01-14-2013, 05:13 PM	#465
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,195	It's not the only word that's misused here, not to mention elsewhere. Possibly the reason is that there isn't a nice, simple word for "reflexive and instant disdain or aversion", which describes the feeling I get from reactions to anything new from Pentax that isn't what people would like to see. A single word to cover a reaction like "That's it! I'm moving to Nikon/Canon/MFT because of this!" might be helpful, too, and save us having to read (or ignore) these verbally inadequate outpourings, each time. Maybe a TLA or a new emoticon might be the answer.