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NickLarsson · 02-19-2013, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

So, it was bad that Pentax did a K-5 mark II in September instead of a "proper" replacement, but it's also bad if they'll launch a higher-end model in April?

And even worse, the replacement model is not even full-frame!

WideOpen · 02-19-2013, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

K-3 and K-3s will probably feature the new 20 Mpixels Sony sensor. The current 24 Mpixels version suffers from crosstalk and this is the reason why K-3 was delayed and temporarily replaced by K-5 II.

Has this sensor been announced for any new camera yet?

mecrox · 02-19-2013, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

K-3 and K-3s will probably feature the new 20 Mpixels Sony sensor. The current 24 Mpixels version suffers from crosstalk and this is the reason why K-3 was delayed and temporarily replaced by K-5 II.

Yes that's a good suggestion as there must be a reason for the delay, and getting out a revised K5 was more than Canon or Nikon managed with the 7D or D300s, for those who are quite happy staying with APS-C. Most folks would surely appreciate 20 megs of quality pixels rather than 24 megs of dodgy ones if there is really a problem with the denser sensor. If anything, the problem is that the K5 and K5 II are so good that an upgrade anything more isn't the no-brainer it might have been a few years ago.

Cynog Ap Brychan · 02-19-2013, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by WideOpen

Has this sensor been announced for any new camera yet?

According to Photo Rumors, Sony are using it in their proposed a58 DSLT.

**THoog** · 02-19-2013, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

So, it was bad that Pentax did a K-5 mark II in September instead of a "proper" replacement, but it's also bad if they'll launch a higher-end model in April?
They should just give up, they can't please us no matter what

It was also bad when they discontinued the K-5 in August with no replacement...

It would be bad if they tried to please us by giving up (or not)...

Mistral75 · 02-19-2013, 03:52 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by gazonk

Are you guessing this or do you know for sure? 20mp would be kind of "meh" (20 vs 16 is really a quite small difference - only 11% more pixels in horizontal or vertical direction) - except if it has even better DR and high ISO than the 16 mp sensor.

That the 24 Mpixels Sony sensor suffers from crosstalk is a fact confirmed by the test of many non-retrofocus wide angles and ultra fast standard to short telephoto lenses with symmetrical design (aka double Gauss).

That Pentax abandoned the "original" K-3 with 24 Mpixels Sony sensor in favour of K-5 II when they discovered, quite late during the development phase, how poorly the prototype behaved with some prestigious lenses (FA Limited) was indicated to me by a very reliable source whose identity I cannot disclose here.

That the new Sony SLT Alpha 58, supposedly announced on or before next Monday, will feature a 20 Mpixels sensor is an insistent rumour, probably true since we are so close to announcement -answer in a few days.

[Edit on 20th February: Sony Alpha 58 was announced today. It features a brand new Exmor APS HD 20.1 Mpixels CMOS sensor]

That Pentax K-3 will feature the same sensor is pure guess on my side.

NickLarsson · 02-19-2013, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

That the 24 Mpixels Sony sensor suffers from crosstalk is a fact confirmed by the test of many non-retrofocus wide angles and ultra fast standard to short telephoto lenses with symmetrical design (aka double Gauss).

That Pentax abandoned the "original" K-3 with 24 Mpixels Sony sensor in favour of K-5 when they discovered, quite late during the development phase, how poorly the prototype behaved with some prestigious lenses (FA Limited) was indicated to me by a very reliable source whose identity I cannot disclose here.

That the new Sony SLT Alpha 58, supposedly announced on or before next Monday, will feature a 20 Mpixels sensor is an insistent rumour, probably true since we are so close to announcement -answer in a few days.

That Pentax K-3 will feature the same sensor is pure guess on my side.

But it could also be the 24 Mpx sensor from Toshiba that is used in the D5200, and which is better dxomarked than the K-5 II.

NitroDC · 02-19-2013, 04:39 PM - **2 Likes**

I don't want a FF camera as a replacement to the K5/ii. If Pentax starts making FF cameras then they HAVE to make them separate from their APS-C cameras. Just like Canon and Nikon. No DA lenses (with the exception of a few) will work with full frame so offering only one pro-level body as full frame would be a stupid decision. I'm looking forward to the new APS-C replacement to the K5. Hopefully Pentax get video right after all these years.

mee · 02-19-2013, 05:01 PM

This is interesting news.. I was about to buy a K-30 later this week. But, with the release of this news, it seems better to wait a couple of months and let the K-3 become released thus making the K-30 dip in price even more! Hellooooo $500 K-30 hehehe

Should also make the K-5 Classic dirt cheap.

mee · 02-19-2013, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by mattt

Why leak it to a magazine when there was just a big tradeshow? I call BS.... It's just more speculation.

You have a very good point there. Hmmmm.....

IchabodCrane · 02-19-2013, 05:12 PM

The possibility of annoying past customers by releasing a better product is a risk any company should be willing to take.

ruggiex · 02-19-2013, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

So, it was bad that Pentax did a K-5 mark II in September instead of a "proper" replacement, but it's also bad if they'll launch a higher-end model in April?
They should just give up, they can't please us no matter what

or they can release K-3 in April and then K-3 II in December and see how the K-3 owner react. It goes both ways

**monochrome** · 02-19-2013, 05:53 PM

Damn, I just bought a Corvette Z06 and next thing you know they release a 427 Convertible - this when we all know the C-8 is coming out next September (I know it is. I saw the pictures on PentaxForums). Well I'm done. I'm outta there. Last time they burn me with a new model. And the C-8 isn't even built on a full metal frame.

[EDIT: OK folks - I'm adding a proper <sarc> tag].

**crewl1** · 02-19-2013, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Damn, I just bought a Corvette Z06 and next thing you know they release a 457 Convertible - this when we all know the C-8 is coming out next September (I know it is. I saw the pictures on PentaxForums). Well I'm done. I'm outta there. Last time they burn me with a new model. And the C-8 isn't even built on a full metal frame.

Your toys > My toys

ruggiex · 02-19-2013, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Damn, I just bought a Corvette Z06 and next thing you know they release a 457 Convertible - this when we all know the C-8 is coming out next September (I know it is. I saw the pictures on PentaxForums). Well I'm done. I'm outta there. Last time they burn me with a new model. And the C-8 isn't even built on a full metal frame.

obviously you should know better!

02-19-2013, 03:52 PM - 2 Likes	#51
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by gazonk Are you guessing this or do you know for sure? 20mp would be kind of "meh" (20 vs 16 is really a quite small difference - only 11% more pixels in horizontal or vertical direction) - except if it has even better DR and high ISO than the 16 mp sensor. That the 24 Mpixels Sony sensor suffers from crosstalk is a fact confirmed by the test of many non-retrofocus wide angles and ultra fast standard to short telephoto lenses with symmetrical design (aka double Gauss). That Pentax abandoned the "original" K-3 with 24 Mpixels Sony sensor in favour of K-5 II when they discovered, quite late during the development phase, how poorly the prototype behaved with some prestigious lenses (FA Limited) was indicated to me by a very reliable source whose identity I cannot disclose here. That the new Sony SLT Alpha 58, supposedly announced on or before next Monday, will feature a 20 Mpixels sensor is an insistent rumour, probably true since we are so close to announcement -answer in a few days. [Edit on 20th February: Sony Alpha 58 was announced today. It features a brand new Exmor APS HD 20.1 Mpixels CMOS sensor] That Pentax K-3 will feature the same sensor is pure guess on my side. Last edited by Mistral75; 02-20-2013 at 05:17 AM.

02-19-2013, 05:53 PM	#58
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Damn, I just bought a Corvette Z06 and next thing you know they release a 427 Convertible - this when we all know the C-8 is coming out next September (I know it is. I saw the pictures on PentaxForums). Well I'm done. I'm outta there. Last time they burn me with a new model. And the C-8 isn't even built on a full metal frame. [EDIT: OK folks - I'm adding a proper <sarc> tag]. Last edited by monochrome; 02-20-2013 at 09:23 AM.

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02-19-2013, 03:37 PM	#46
NickLarsson Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,390	Originally posted by Kunzite So, it was bad that Pentax did a K-5 mark II in September instead of a "proper" replacement, but it's also bad if they'll launch a higher-end model in April? And even worse, the replacement model is not even full-frame!

02-19-2013, 03:43 PM	#47
WideOpen Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ottawa, ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 38	Originally posted by Mistral75 K-3 and K-3s will probably feature the new 20 Mpixels Sony sensor. The current 24 Mpixels version suffers from crosstalk and this is the reason why K-3 was delayed and temporarily replaced by K-5 II. Has this sensor been announced for any new camera yet?

02-19-2013, 03:46 PM	#48
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	Originally posted by Mistral75 K-3 and K-3s will probably feature the new 20 Mpixels Sony sensor. The current 24 Mpixels version suffers from crosstalk and this is the reason why K-3 was delayed and temporarily replaced by K-5 II. Yes that's a good suggestion as there must be a reason for the delay, and getting out a revised K5 was more than Canon or Nikon managed with the 7D or D300s, for those who are quite happy staying with APS-C. Most folks would surely appreciate 20 megs of quality pixels rather than 24 megs of dodgy ones if there is really a problem with the denser sensor. If anything, the problem is that the K5 and K5 II are so good that an upgrade anything more isn't the no-brainer it might have been a few years ago.

02-19-2013, 03:49 PM	#49
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by WideOpen Has this sensor been announced for any new camera yet? According to Photo Rumors, Sony are using it in their proposed a58 DSLT.

02-19-2013, 03:50 PM	#50
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by Kunzite So, it was bad that Pentax did a K-5 mark II in September instead of a "proper" replacement, but it's also bad if they'll launch a higher-end model in April? They should just give up, they can't please us no matter what It was also bad when they discontinued the K-5 in August with no replacement... It would be bad if they tried to please us by giving up (or not)...

02-19-2013, 04:13 PM	#52
NickLarsson Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,390	Originally posted by Mistral75 That the 24 Mpixels Sony sensor suffers from crosstalk is a fact confirmed by the test of many non-retrofocus wide angles and ultra fast standard to short telephoto lenses with symmetrical design (aka double Gauss). That Pentax abandoned the "original" K-3 with 24 Mpixels Sony sensor in favour of K-5 when they discovered, quite late during the development phase, how poorly the prototype behaved with some prestigious lenses (FA Limited) was indicated to me by a very reliable source whose identity I cannot disclose here. That the new Sony SLT Alpha 58, supposedly announced on or before next Monday, will feature a 20 Mpixels sensor is an insistent rumour, probably true since we are so close to announcement -answer in a few days. That Pentax K-3 will feature the same sensor is pure guess on my side. But it could also be the 24 Mpx sensor from Toshiba that is used in the D5200, and which is better dxomarked than the K-5 II.

02-19-2013, 04:39 PM - 2 Likes	#53
NitroDC Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 342	I don't want a FF camera as a replacement to the K5/ii. If Pentax starts making FF cameras then they HAVE to make them separate from their APS-C cameras. Just like Canon and Nikon. No DA lenses (with the exception of a few) will work with full frame so offering only one pro-level body as full frame would be a stupid decision. I'm looking forward to the new APS-C replacement to the K5. Hopefully Pentax get video right after all these years.

02-19-2013, 05:01 PM	#54
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	This is interesting news.. I was about to buy a K-30 later this week. But, with the release of this news, it seems better to wait a couple of months and let the K-3 become released thus making the K-30 dip in price even more! Hellooooo $500 K-30 hehehe Should also make the K-5 Classic dirt cheap.

02-19-2013, 05:10 PM	#55
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by mattt Why leak it to a magazine when there was just a big tradeshow? I call BS.... It's just more speculation. You have a very good point there. Hmmmm.....

02-19-2013, 05:12 PM	#56
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	The possibility of annoying past customers by releasing a better product is a risk any company should be willing to take.

02-19-2013, 05:52 PM	#57
ruggiex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: East Bay Area Photos: Gallery Posts: 811	Originally posted by Kunzite So, it was bad that Pentax did a K-5 mark II in September instead of a "proper" replacement, but it's also bad if they'll launch a higher-end model in April? They should just give up, they can't please us no matter what or they can release K-3 in April and then K-3 II in December and see how the K-3 owner react. It goes both ways

02-19-2013, 06:01 PM	#59
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807	Originally posted by monochrome Damn, I just bought a Corvette Z06 and next thing you know they release a 457 Convertible - this when we all know the C-8 is coming out next September (I know it is. I saw the pictures on PentaxForums). Well I'm done. I'm outta there. Last time they burn me with a new model. And the C-8 isn't even built on a full metal frame. Your toys > My toys

02-19-2013, 06:47 PM	#60
ruggiex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: East Bay Area Photos: Gallery Posts: 811	Originally posted by monochrome Damn, I just bought a Corvette Z06 and next thing you know they release a 457 Convertible - this when we all know the C-8 is coming out next September (I know it is. I saw the pictures on PentaxForums). Well I'm done. I'm outta there. Last time they burn me with a new model. And the C-8 isn't even built on a full metal frame. obviously you should know better!

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