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Uluru · 05-08-2013, 03:32 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Clavius

I see you are not that familiar with Pentax yet then?

Since the K-5 of 2010, I've only seen slighty tweaked or stripped down re-iterations of it.

The only company slower than Pentax is its namesake cousin, Contax.

gazonk · 05-08-2013, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by SyncGuy

In the past, i believe every new model launched were given some thought to ascertain that it would last between 2-3 years at least? But nowadays, everything's been made to last 6months to a year.. LoL!

My mother has a 30 year old dishwasher, good luck finding something like that today!

Fortunately, cameras aren't all that bad. My 5,5 year old K10D still looks and works good. I replaced it with a K-5 a year ago, and the difference in high iso quality, AF and general speed (and shutter sound :-)) is dramatic, but if I hadn't been able to afford a K-5, I would still be happy with the K10D.

Quote:

Think about crApple.. LoL!

What about them? We've had a lot of Apple laptops in the family, every single one of them have been more durable than any Windows laptop (HP, compaq, Fujitsu, mostly) we've used. A 7 year old one is still in daily use. iPhones also last longer than any other phone I've tried...

Medium FormatPro · 05-08-2013, 06:01 AM

The strange thing is; we all might not have seen the last version of the K-5

Jean Poitiers · 05-08-2013, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by Medium FormatPro

The strange thing is; we all might not have seen the last version of the K-5

A K-5 iii and/or K-5 iiis ... ?

Clavius · 05-08-2013, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by Medium FormatPro

The strange thing is; we all might not have seen the last version of the K-5

A K-5IIsm, without AA and with dedicated monochrome sensor and monochrome EVF! Oh, I'd buy that right away.

**Kerrowdown** · 05-08-2013, 06:42 AM

Originally posted by ogl

New Pentax cameras 2013

Just sing along with this to the tune of "All I Want for Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth"

All I want for Christmas is my two LXd, oh my two LXd...
Then I could wish a FF "Merry Christmas."

**Digitalis** · 05-08-2013, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

A K-5IIsm, without AA and with dedicated monochrome sensor and monochrome EVF! Oh, I'd buy that right away.

+1 this sans EVF.

Clavius · 05-08-2013, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

+1 this sans EVF.

...but ...but then you'd have colour in the VF of a monochrome camera?

**Digitalis** · 05-08-2013, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

...but ...but then you'd have colour in the VF of a monochrome camera?

I have been working with B&W film for years and i'm very good at visualising how things will look in Black and white just by looking at them. Besides EVF technology cannot really handle high contrast scenes well enough for me to trust them. An OVF will show you what you are going to get with no gamut or contrast limits - well at least not beyond what your average person can perceive at least.

I'll also point out the Leica Monochrom that I work with also has a colour VF and a Monochrome sensor and that doesn't bother me in the slightest.

**Aristophanes** · 05-08-2013, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

that is because these photographers realised that low light often means bad light. sometimes adding some lighting to a scene can improve an image that shallow DOF would probably ruin.

Right, but the strobists have gone well beyond that, now, taking studio and move lighting to the masses and into all sorts of new, creative venues.

Clavius · 05-08-2013, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

I have been working with B&W film for years and i'm very good at visualising how things will look in Black and white just by looking at them. Besides EVF technology cannot really handle high contrast scenes well enough for me to trust them. An OVF will show you what you are going to get with no gamut or contrast limits - well at least not beyond what your average person can perceive at least.

I'll also point out the Leica Monochrom that I work with also has a colour VF and a Monochrome sensor and that doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Personal preference, I guess. I'm pretty much completely done with the dark grainy Pentax K-5 viewfinder since the NEX7. It shows so much more detail and is so much brighter. (My K-5 has the stock focussing screen.)

Heie · 05-08-2013, 07:50 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by gazonk

My mother has a 30 year old dishwasher,

You are referring to yourself, right?

lukulele · 05-08-2013, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by Heie

You are referring to yourself, right?

Rim shot! That's also an old Navy cook's joke as well Heie.

SyncGuy · 05-08-2013, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

My mother has a 30 year old dishwasher, good luck finding something like that today!

Fortunately, cameras aren't all that bad. My 5,5 year old K10D still looks and works good. I replaced it with a K-5 a year ago, and the difference in high iso quality, AF and general speed (and shutter sound :-)) is dramatic, but if I hadn't been able to afford a K-5, I would still be happy with the K10D.

What about them? We've had a lot of Apple laptops in the family, every single one of them have been more durable than any Windows laptop (HP, compaq, Fujitsu, mostly) we've used. A 7 year old one is still in daily use. iPhones also last longer than any other phone I've tried...

Nothing's wrong with that. Perhaps I should elaborate, I'm meaning to say crApple's the one that I see that started the trend of having "new" products every 6 months. Where in fact, it's nothing much but a minor upgrade from the "recent" one; "milking" they say.. LoL!

IchabodCrane · 05-08-2013, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by SyncGuy

Nothing's wrong with that. Perhaps I should elaborate, I'm meaning to say crApple's the one that I see that started the trend of having "new" products every 6 months. Where in fact, it's nothing much but a minor upgrade from the "recent" one; "milking" they say.. LoL!

They don't milk the customer over iPhones. Instead, they provide an opportunity for customers to gladly be milked.

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05-08-2013, 03:32 AM - 1 Like	#826
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Clavius I see you are not that familiar with Pentax yet then? Since the K-5 of 2010, I've only seen slighty tweaked or stripped down re-iterations of it. The only company slower than Pentax is its namesake cousin, Contax.

05-08-2013, 03:33 AM	#827
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by SyncGuy In the past, i believe every new model launched were given some thought to ascertain that it would last between 2-3 years at least? But nowadays, everything's been made to last 6months to a year.. LoL! My mother has a 30 year old dishwasher, good luck finding something like that today! Fortunately, cameras aren't all that bad. My 5,5 year old K10D still looks and works good. I replaced it with a K-5 a year ago, and the difference in high iso quality, AF and general speed (and shutter sound :-)) is dramatic, but if I hadn't been able to afford a K-5, I would still be happy with the K10D. Quote: Think about crApple.. LoL! What about them? We've had a lot of Apple laptops in the family, every single one of them have been more durable than any Windows laptop (HP, compaq, Fujitsu, mostly) we've used. A 7 year old one is still in daily use. iPhones also last longer than any other phone I've tried...

05-08-2013, 06:01 AM	#828
Medium FormatPro Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Charleston & Pittsburgh Photos: Albums Posts: 1,668	The strange thing is; we all might not have seen the last version of the K-5

05-08-2013, 06:13 AM	#829
Jean Poitiers Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Lost in translation ... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 18,076	Originally posted by Medium FormatPro The strange thing is; we all might not have seen the last version of the K-5 A K-5 iii and/or K-5 iiis ... ?

05-08-2013, 06:36 AM	#830
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Medium FormatPro The strange thing is; we all might not have seen the last version of the K-5 A K-5IIsm, without AA and with dedicated monochrome sensor and monochrome EVF! Oh, I'd buy that right away.

05-08-2013, 06:42 AM	#831
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,866	Originally posted by ogl New Pentax cameras 2013 Just sing along with this to the tune of "All I Want for Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth" All I want for Christmas is my two LXd, oh my two LXd... Then I could wish a FF "Merry Christmas."

05-08-2013, 07:03 AM	#832
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by Clavius A K-5IIsm, without AA and with dedicated monochrome sensor and monochrome EVF! Oh, I'd buy that right away. +1 this sans EVF.

05-08-2013, 07:11 AM	#833
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Digitalis +1 this sans EVF. ...but ...but then you'd have colour in the VF of a monochrome camera?

05-08-2013, 07:15 AM	#834
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by Clavius ...but ...but then you'd have colour in the VF of a monochrome camera? I have been working with B&W film for years and i'm very good at visualising how things will look in Black and white just by looking at them. Besides EVF technology cannot really handle high contrast scenes well enough for me to trust them. An OVF will show you what you are going to get with no gamut or contrast limits - well at least not beyond what your average person can perceive at least. I'll also point out the Leica Monochrom that I work with also has a colour VF and a Monochrome sensor and that doesn't bother me in the slightest.

05-08-2013, 07:19 AM	#835
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by Digitalis that is because these photographers realised that low light often means bad light. sometimes adding some lighting to a scene can improve an image that shallow DOF would probably ruin. Right, but the strobists have gone well beyond that, now, taking studio and move lighting to the masses and into all sorts of new, creative venues.

05-08-2013, 07:48 AM	#836
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Digitalis I have been working with B&W film for years and i'm very good at visualising how things will look in Black and white just by looking at them. Besides EVF technology cannot really handle high contrast scenes well enough for me to trust them. An OVF will show you what you are going to get with no gamut or contrast limits - well at least not beyond what your average person can perceive at least. I'll also point out the Leica Monochrom that I work with also has a colour VF and a Monochrome sensor and that doesn't bother me in the slightest. Personal preference, I guess. I'm pretty much completely done with the dark grainy Pentax K-5 viewfinder since the NEX7. It shows so much more detail and is so much brighter. (My K-5 has the stock focussing screen.)

05-08-2013, 07:50 AM - 2 Likes	#837
Heie Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 968	Originally posted by gazonk My mother has a 30 year old dishwasher, You are referring to yourself, right?

05-08-2013, 08:13 AM	#838
lukulele Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Blue Ridge Escarpment, North Carolina, US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,850	Originally posted by Heie You are referring to yourself, right? Rim shot! That's also an old Navy cook's joke as well Heie.

05-08-2013, 08:43 AM	#839
SyncGuy Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 821	Originally posted by gazonk My mother has a 30 year old dishwasher, good luck finding something like that today! Fortunately, cameras aren't all that bad. My 5,5 year old K10D still looks and works good. I replaced it with a K-5 a year ago, and the difference in high iso quality, AF and general speed (and shutter sound :-)) is dramatic, but if I hadn't been able to afford a K-5, I would still be happy with the K10D. What about them? We've had a lot of Apple laptops in the family, every single one of them have been more durable than any Windows laptop (HP, compaq, Fujitsu, mostly) we've used. A 7 year old one is still in daily use. iPhones also last longer than any other phone I've tried... Nothing's wrong with that. Perhaps I should elaborate, I'm meaning to say crApple's the one that I see that started the trend of having "new" products every 6 months. Where in fact, it's nothing much but a minor upgrade from the "recent" one; "milking" they say.. LoL!

05-08-2013, 12:46 PM	#840
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by SyncGuy Nothing's wrong with that. Perhaps I should elaborate, I'm meaning to say crApple's the one that I see that started the trend of having "new" products every 6 months. Where in fact, it's nothing much but a minor upgrade from the "recent" one; "milking" they say.. LoL! They don't milk the customer over iPhones. Instead, they provide an opportunity for customers to gladly be milked.