Pentax K-3 and 3s scheduled to appear in April

tclausen · 03-16-2013, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Tesla

Like most, I think it is ugly! Looks like a toy.

Well, to each his own, I guess.

I hope that, in life, you're able to get past mere first impressions and appearances, for it is quite a competent and useful little camera that one would be unwise to dismiss.

Painter · 03-16-2013, 11:03 PM

Yes my K-7 still works fine and I will be shooting with it tomorrow but I have to say this waiting for a new DSLR is driving me crazy. I have been waiting for a new camera for a year and a half I just chose to skip the K-5.

**Digitalis** · 03-17-2013, 02:02 AM

Another interesting Idea occurred to me - Pentax could use a monochrome E-paper type display for the status LCD, that doesn't need power to show us what the camera settings are or how many shots we have left on the card. I have a few USB drives that have a E-ink based capacity display that shows you how much space they have left on them - this display doesn't need to draw power to show useful information.

VladimirYo · 03-17-2013, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

Another interesting Idea occurred to me - Pentax could use a monochrome E-paper type display for the status LCD, that doesn't need power to show us what the camera settings are or how many shots we have left on the card. I have a few USB drives that have a E-ink based capacity display that shows you how much space they have left on them - this display doesn't need to draw power.

Originally posted by Digitalis

Another interesting Idea occurred to me - Pentax could use a monochrome E-paper type display for the status LCD, that doesn't need power to show us what the camera settings are or how many shots we have left on the card. I have a few USB drives that have a E-ink based capacity display that shows you how much space they have left on them - this display doesn't need to draw power.

Good idea!

Caat · 03-17-2013, 04:01 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

Another interesting Idea occurred to me - Pentax could use a monochrome E-paper type display for the status LCD, that doesn't need power to show us what the camera settings are or how many shots we have left on the card. I have a few USB drives that have a E-ink based capacity display that shows you how much space they have left on them - this display doesn't need to draw power to show useful information.

That's not a bad idea and the viewing angles would be very good - often I look a my K-7's status display from an angle. You might be able to get away without lighting as well given that e-ink can be viewed until it's quite dim

Ayoh · 03-17-2013, 05:50 AM

E-paper screens typically have slow refresh rates (1-2 seconds) which would make the screen have annoyingly poor response time when updating shutter, aperture etc. indications.

Originally posted by Digitalis

Another interesting Idea occurred to me - Pentax could use a monochrome E-paper type display for the status LCD, that doesn't need power to show us what the camera settings are or how many shots we have left on the card. I have a few USB drives that have a E-ink based capacity display that shows you how much space they have left on them - this display doesn't need to draw power to show useful information.

bikepete · 03-17-2013, 05:54 AM - **1 Like**

FWIW, did anyone else notice the latest reply from Asahi Man on DPR? Talking about the K-3:

Yes,right and the specs are not to bad and very nice for the friend of video......inclusive s..v.. Dis... :-P

Swivel vertical display? Something very disturbing?

Kunzite · 03-17-2013, 06:10 AM

The monochrome LCD doesn't use a lot of power, though, being used in low power devices like watches. Nikon cameras are displaying the number of shots left on the card, even with the camera off.
And how about reliability? I know cases on which e-book readers had their display broken, because of the lower pressures during a flight.

What I think it could be advantageous, is the freedom to display the information (compared to the fixed format imposed by the monochrome LCD). Adding colour could be possible, too, for an even more informative display. I'm not sure if we really need it, but it could be worth giving it a thought.
By the way, Ricoh is actively developing such technologies:
Bright, full color e-paper under development by Ricoh - DigInfo TV

**Digitalis** · 03-17-2013, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

The monochrome LCD doesn't use a lot of power, though, being used in low power devices like watches

No it doesn't, but a majority of makers do not take advantage and choose not to display anything more than the remaining shots left on the card. What I am thinking of is having an indication when the camera is powered down of remaining battery power, RAW/Jpeg,AE mode,IS on/off, Shutter speed, Aperture, ISO,WB and of course the number of shots remaining on the card. It might also be possible to incorporate touch sensitivity to give users a customisable able quick access to settings through the Monochrome LCD to features that require the user to delve into the menus to employ.

RonHendriks1966 · 03-17-2013, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

The monochrome LCD doesn't use a lot of power, though, being used in low power devices like watches. Nikon cameras are displaying the number of shots left on the card, even with the camera off.
And how about reliability? I know cases on which e-book readers had their display broken, because of the lower pressures during a flight.

What I think it could be advantageous, is the freedom to display the information (compared to the fixed format imposed by the monochrome LCD). Adding colour could be possible, too, for an even more informative display. I'm not sure if we really need it, but it could be worth giving it a thought.
By the way, Ricoh is actively developing such technologies:
[ur://www.diginfo.tv/v/13-0006-r-en.php]Bright, full color e-paper under development by Ricoh - DigInfo TV[/url]

wow maybe Ricoh can make more things for Pentax too!

pentee · 03-17-2013, 07:47 AM

I hope someone who works for Pentax reads these posts. So many great ideas here!

Andy

deus ursus · 03-17-2013, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by lightbulb

Nah they have two things in common. All pleasurable pursuits, and all wr

WR cigars … ?

Smeggypants · 03-17-2013, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by bossa

It's actually quite a refreshing design, not ugly in the least. If you think it is then perhaps you should learn something of design or aesthetics.

What patronising and insulting nonsense!! Who are you tell someone what they should or should not find attractive. I don't need to 'learn' what I find attractive or not. I already have that inherent subjective response. You might not find the K-01 ugly, but please respect the opinion of those that do.

In the spirit of adhering to the forum T&Cs I'll refrain from giving you the response that you truly deserve.

Paul Ewins · 03-17-2013, 05:16 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Smeggypants

What patronising and insulting nonsense!! Who are you tell someone what they should or should not find attractive. I don't need to 'learn' what I find attractive or not. I already have that inherent subjective response. You might not find the K-01 ugly, but please respect the opinion of those that do.

In the spirit of adhering to the forum T&Cs I'll refrain from giving you the response that you truly deserve.

You know, your response sounds a lot like "I don't know much about art, but I know what I like". Your blunt dismissal of the K-01 as "ugly" suggest you don't understand it and thus reject it. Perhaps if you had studied twentieth century design you might understand where this is coming from and where the designer was going with it. It takes time and a little training for people to learn to appreciate wine or whiskey or fly-fishing and so on, and design and indeed aesthetics is no different.

Docrwm · 03-17-2013, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Paul Ewins

You know, your response sounds a lot like "I don't know much about art, but I know what I like". Your blunt dismissal of the K-01 as "ugly" suggest you don't understand it and thus reject it. Perhaps if you had studied twentieth century design you might understand where this is coming from and where the designer was going with it. It takes time and a little training for people to learn to appreciate wine or whiskey or fly-fishing and so on, and design and indeed aesthetics is no different.

Far more people have rejected the K-01 than embarrassed it. I own one and I find it butt ugly. Functional despite its design, but ugly none-the-less.

It's amazingly superior and condescending for someone to tell another what is aesthetically pleasing and that if they do not find something that they like attractive/beautiful/"art" that they are somehow either uncouth or uninformed.

03-17-2013, 02:02 AM	#183
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Another interesting Idea occurred to me - Pentax could use a monochrome E-paper type display for the status LCD, that doesn't need power to show us what the camera settings are or how many shots we have left on the card. I have a few USB drives that have a E-ink based capacity display that shows you how much space they have left on them - this display doesn't need to draw power to show useful information. Last edited by Digitalis; 03-17-2013 at 03:20 AM.

03-17-2013, 07:06 AM	#189
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by Kunzite The monochrome LCD doesn't use a lot of power, though, being used in low power devices like watches No it doesn't, but a majority of makers do not take advantage and choose not to display anything more than the remaining shots left on the card. What I am thinking of is having an indication when the camera is powered down of remaining battery power, RAW/Jpeg,AE mode,IS on/off, Shutter speed, Aperture, ISO,WB and of course the number of shots remaining on the card. It might also be possible to incorporate touch sensitivity to give users a customisable able quick access to settings through the Monochrome LCD to features that require the user to delve into the menus to employ. Last edited by Digitalis; 03-17-2013 at 07:48 AM.

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03-16-2013, 10:42 PM	#181
tclausen Veteran Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,397	Originally posted by Tesla Like most, I think it is ugly! Looks like a toy. Well, to each his own, I guess. I hope that, in life, you're able to get past mere first impressions and appearances, for it is quite a competent and useful little camera that one would be unwise to dismiss.

03-16-2013, 11:03 PM	#182
Painter Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 348	Yes my K-7 still works fine and I will be shooting with it tomorrow but I have to say this waiting for a new DSLR is driving me crazy. I have been waiting for a new camera for a year and a half I just chose to skip the K-5.

03-17-2013, 02:46 AM	#184
VladimirYo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 290	Originally posted by Digitalis Another interesting Idea occurred to me - Pentax could use a monochrome E-paper type display for the status LCD, that doesn't need power to show us what the camera settings are or how many shots we have left on the card. I have a few USB drives that have a E-ink based capacity display that shows you how much space they have left on them - this display doesn't need to draw power. Originally posted by Digitalis Another interesting Idea occurred to me - Pentax could use a monochrome E-paper type display for the status LCD, that doesn't need power to show us what the camera settings are or how many shots we have left on the card. I have a few USB drives that have a E-ink based capacity display that shows you how much space they have left on them - this display doesn't need to draw power. Good idea!

03-17-2013, 04:01 AM	#185
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by Digitalis Another interesting Idea occurred to me - Pentax could use a monochrome E-paper type display for the status LCD, that doesn't need power to show us what the camera settings are or how many shots we have left on the card. I have a few USB drives that have a E-ink based capacity display that shows you how much space they have left on them - this display doesn't need to draw power to show useful information. That's not a bad idea and the viewing angles would be very good - often I look a my K-7's status display from an angle. You might be able to get away without lighting as well given that e-ink can be viewed until it's quite dim

03-17-2013, 05:50 AM	#186
Ayoh Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 341	E-paper screens typically have slow refresh rates (1-2 seconds) which would make the screen have annoyingly poor response time when updating shutter, aperture etc. indications. Originally posted by Digitalis Another interesting Idea occurred to me - Pentax could use a monochrome E-paper type display for the status LCD, that doesn't need power to show us what the camera settings are or how many shots we have left on the card. I have a few USB drives that have a E-ink based capacity display that shows you how much space they have left on them - this display doesn't need to draw power to show useful information.

03-17-2013, 05:54 AM - 1 Like	#187
bikepete New Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 5	FWIW, did anyone else notice the latest reply from Asahi Man on DPR? Talking about the K-3: Yes,right and the specs are not to bad and very nice for the friend of video......inclusive s..v.. Dis... :-P Swivel vertical display? Something very disturbing?

03-17-2013, 06:10 AM	#188
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	The monochrome LCD doesn't use a lot of power, though, being used in low power devices like watches. Nikon cameras are displaying the number of shots left on the card, even with the camera off. And how about reliability? I know cases on which e-book readers had their display broken, because of the lower pressures during a flight. What I think it could be advantageous, is the freedom to display the information (compared to the fixed format imposed by the monochrome LCD). Adding colour could be possible, too, for an even more informative display. I'm not sure if we really need it, but it could be worth giving it a thought. By the way, Ricoh is actively developing such technologies: Bright, full color e-paper under development by Ricoh - DigInfo TV

03-17-2013, 07:42 AM	#190
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Kunzite The monochrome LCD doesn't use a lot of power, though, being used in low power devices like watches. Nikon cameras are displaying the number of shots left on the card, even with the camera off. And how about reliability? I know cases on which e-book readers had their display broken, because of the lower pressures during a flight. What I think it could be advantageous, is the freedom to display the information (compared to the fixed format imposed by the monochrome LCD). Adding colour could be possible, too, for an even more informative display. I'm not sure if we really need it, but it could be worth giving it a thought. By the way, Ricoh is actively developing such technologies: [ur://www.diginfo.tv/v/13-0006-r-en.php]Bright, full color e-paper under development by Ricoh - DigInfo TV[/url] wow maybe Ricoh can make more things for Pentax too!

03-17-2013, 07:47 AM	#191
pentee Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 54	I hope someone who works for Pentax reads these posts. So many great ideas here! Andy

03-17-2013, 02:58 PM	#192
deus ursus Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stårheim, Norway Posts: 658	Originally posted by lightbulb Nah they have two things in common. All pleasurable pursuits, and all wr WR cigars … ?

03-17-2013, 04:27 PM	#193
Smeggypants Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,536	Originally posted by bossa It's actually quite a refreshing design, not ugly in the least. If you think it is then perhaps you should learn something of design or aesthetics. What patronising and insulting nonsense!! Who are you tell someone what they should or should not find attractive. I don't need to 'learn' what I find attractive or not. I already have that inherent subjective response. You might not find the K-01 ugly, but please respect the opinion of those that do. In the spirit of adhering to the forum T&Cs I'll refrain from giving you the response that you truly deserve.

03-17-2013, 05:16 PM - 1 Like	#194
Paul Ewins Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 274	Originally posted by Smeggypants What patronising and insulting nonsense!! Who are you tell someone what they should or should not find attractive. I don't need to 'learn' what I find attractive or not. I already have that inherent subjective response. You might not find the K-01 ugly, but please respect the opinion of those that do. In the spirit of adhering to the forum T&Cs I'll refrain from giving you the response that you truly deserve. You know, your response sounds a lot like "I don't know much about art, but I know what I like". Your blunt dismissal of the K-01 as "ugly" suggest you don't understand it and thus reject it. Perhaps if you had studied twentieth century design you might understand where this is coming from and where the designer was going with it. It takes time and a little training for people to learn to appreciate wine or whiskey or fly-fishing and so on, and design and indeed aesthetics is no different.

03-17-2013, 05:23 PM	#195
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by Paul Ewins You know, your response sounds a lot like "I don't know much about art, but I know what I like". Your blunt dismissal of the K-01 as "ugly" suggest you don't understand it and thus reject it. Perhaps if you had studied twentieth century design you might understand where this is coming from and where the designer was going with it. It takes time and a little training for people to learn to appreciate wine or whiskey or fly-fishing and so on, and design and indeed aesthetics is no different. Far more people have rejected the K-01 than embarrassed it. I own one and I find it butt ugly. Functional despite its design, but ugly none-the-less. It's amazingly superior and condescending for someone to tell another what is aesthetically pleasing and that if they do not find something that they like attractive/beautiful/"art" that they are somehow either uncouth or uninformed.