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04-12-2013, 09:19 AM   #16
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GRDIV was good too.
Still use mine as much as the K01. I love the focal length. Was hoping GR5 would have 28mm equivalent FOV.

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JPT means, the lens has a focal length that yields the same FoV on an APS-C sensor as a 28mm lens on a 35mm frame. So 19mm, then.
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The announcement will be on April, 17. The name of camera is simple. Ricoh GR.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Adam G Quote
JPT means, the lens has a focal length that yields the same FoV on an APS-C sensor as a 28mm lens on a 35mm frame. So 19mm, then.
Fantastic!

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Well, some of us would have preferred 35mm equ. range and definitely a faster f/2 lens.
I understand the coolpix A optical quality, ergonomics and AF speed are quite "betterable"... so wait and see if Ricoh's experience in this type of cameras will take over coolpix A.
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You choose to focus on the most insignificant fact - a simple evolution in processor.

But the entire concept of the camera, apart from the sensor, is GRD.

All Ricoh had to do was put a larger sensor into a GRD.

Nikon had to conceptualize and create a whole new type of camera that is like...a GRD.
If the concept, or the most significant fact, is a hi-end compact camera equipped with a 28mm f/2.8 fixed lens (or its equivalent in terms of field of view), then the Nikon 28Ti was released in 1994 and the Ricoh GR1 in 1996, two years later.

So who copied whom?
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Looks interesting, but I just want to see any PRIC announcement at this point.
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QuoteOriginally posted by JPT Quote
- No image stabilisation, either in the lens or using the sensor
Not cool.

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- it doesn't seem to have any Pentax DNA
So the price won't be divided by 2 after 6 months, not cool either.

But it will go on my next Christmas list for Santa Claus anyway

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
If the concept, or the most significant fact, is a hi-end compact camera equipped with a 28mm f/2.8 fixed lens (or its equivalent in terms of field of view), then the Nikon 28Ti was released in 1994 and the Ricoh GR1 in 1996, two years later.

So who copied whom?
Olympus released the compact XA with a 28/2.8 in 1980
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And grx's will be cheaper. Horray
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28mm. Some Japanese will always be Japanese. But some still learn new tricks, like Fuji.
I can bet that the immense popularity of the X100 was because of the 35mm equiv. lens, not 28mm.
It's the same reason Pentax still does not have a 35mm equiv. DA lens, and probably never will.
Damn pride about wrong things. They will rather sink with the ship than admit they are wrong in certain matters.

I can bet that if Ricoh had thought twice, and issues the GR with a 35mm lens, or even 43mm lens model, it would be an instant classic and immediately compared to X100 and placed ABOVE the Coolpix A.

28mm simply does not ring as good or as desirable as 35mm anywhere in the west. It's one of those "What the ..." focal lengths, that only some of more serious photographers may appreciate. The camera will have followers, but it won't be nowhere as hit as the X100 .. or the Leica X2 (if it were $1000 cheaper. :-)

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They just have more things to look at in japan, :P Every mm counts :P
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28mm. Some Japanese will always be Japanese. But some still learn new tricks, like Fuji.
I can bet that the immense popularity of the X100 was because of the 35mm equiv. lens, not 28mm.
It's the same reason Pentax still does not have a 35mm equiv. DA lens, and probably never will.
Damn pride about wrong things. They will rather sink with the ship than admit they are wrong in certain matters.

I can bet that if Ricoh had thought twice, and issues the GR with a 35mm lens, or even 43mm lens model, it would be an instant classic and immediately compared to X100 and placed ABOVE the Coolpix A.

28mm simply does not ring as good or as desirable as 35mm anywhere in the west. It's one of those "What the ..." focal lengths, that only some of more serious photographers may appreciate. The camera will have followers, but it won't be nowhere as hit as the X100 .. or the Leica X2 (if it were $1000 cheaper. :-)
I completely agree that Pentax badly needs to make a 35mm equivalent lens for K-mount. It's a FOV I really like and such a strange omission in their line up. But regarding the GR series, Ricoh has a pretty loyal base of customers who are into 28mm and they will upgrade to a 28mm GR camera without hesitation. It's part of the brand identity.

I think to say that 28mm is a particularly "Japanese" focal length ignores that fact that there are many photographers in other countries who use 28mm. Also, since almost all lenses and cameras are designed in Japan, including the Fuji X100, there must be plenty of photographers in Japan who like a narrower field of view. Personally, I really like 28mm in a confined city, (e.g. Paris) and find it a real limitation when I have more space a round me (e.g. Hawaii). So, I feel it is more of an "urban" focal length.
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FA*24/2 is 70% of my photos...I like 36 mm.
But I have GXR with A12 28. 28 mm is good too. But 36 mm is better. IMO. More universal.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
28mm. Some Japanese will always be Japanese. But some still learn new tricks, like Fuji.
I can bet that the immense popularity of the X100 was because of the 35mm equiv. lens, not 28mm.
It's the same reason Pentax still does not have a 35mm equiv. DA lens, and probably never will.
Damn pride about wrong things. They will rather sink with the ship than admit they are wrong in certain matters.

I can bet that if Ricoh had thought twice, and issues the GR with a 35mm lens, or even 43mm lens model, it would be an instant classic and immediately compared to X100 and placed ABOVE the Coolpix A.

28mm simply does not ring as good or as desirable as 35mm anywhere in the west. It's one of those "What the ..." focal lengths, that only some of more serious photographers may appreciate. The camera will have followers, but it won't be nowhere as hit as the X100 .. or the Leica X2 (if it were $1000 cheaper. :-)
fully agreed on my part
If the rumor is confirmed, it will just be half-marketing jam just because of that.
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