Ricoh GR - Rumoured 28mm APS-C GRD Successor

perpetual3 · 04-12-2013, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by ogl

GRDIV was good too.

Still use mine as much as the K01. I love the focal length. Was hoping GR5 would have 28mm equivalent FOV.

Adam G · 04-12-2013, 09:42 AM

JPT means, the lens has a focal length that yields the same FoV on an APS-C sensor as a 28mm lens on a 35mm frame. So 19mm, then.

ogl · 04-12-2013, 10:22 AM

The announcement will be on April, 17. The name of camera is simple. Ricoh GR.

perpetual3 · 04-12-2013, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by Adam G

JPT means, the lens has a focal length that yields the same FoV on an APS-C sensor as a 28mm lens on a 35mm frame. So 19mm, then.

Fantastic!

Zygonyx · 04-12-2013, 02:00 PM

Well, some of us would have preferred 35mm equ. range and definitely a faster f/2 lens.
I understand the coolpix A optical quality, ergonomics and AF speed are quite "betterable"... so wait and see if Ricoh's experience in this type of cameras will take over coolpix A.

Mistral75 · 04-12-2013, 02:14 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by perpetual3

You choose to focus on the most insignificant fact - a simple evolution in processor.

But the entire concept of the camera, apart from the sensor, is GRD.

All Ricoh had to do was put a larger sensor into a GRD.

Nikon had to conceptualize and create a whole new type of camera that is like...a GRD.

If the concept, or the most significant fact, is a hi-end compact camera equipped with a 28mm f/2.8 fixed lens (or its equivalent in terms of field of view), then the Nikon 28Ti was released in 1994 and the Ricoh GR1 in 1996, two years later.

So who copied whom?

**Clarkey** · 04-12-2013, 03:26 PM

Looks interesting, but I just want to see any PRIC announcement at this point.

NickLarsson · 04-12-2013, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by JPT

- No image stabilisation, either in the lens or using the sensor

Not cool.

Quote:

- it doesn't seem to have any Pentax DNA

So the price won't be divided by 2 after 6 months, not cool either.

But it will go on my next Christmas list for Santa Claus anyway

**monochrome** · 04-12-2013, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

If the concept, or the most significant fact, is a hi-end compact camera equipped with a 28mm f/2.8 fixed lens (or its equivalent in terms of field of view), then the Nikon 28Ti was released in 1994 and the Ricoh GR1 in 1996, two years later.

So who copied whom?

Olympus released the compact XA with a 28/2.8 in 1980

tromboads · 04-12-2013, 07:08 PM

And grx's will be cheaper. Horray

Uluru · 04-12-2013, 08:48 PM

28mm. Some Japanese will always be Japanese. But some still learn new tricks, like Fuji.
I can bet that the immense popularity of the X100 was because of the 35mm equiv. lens, not 28mm.
It's the same reason Pentax still does not have a 35mm equiv. DA lens, and probably never will.
Damn pride about wrong things. They will rather sink with the ship than admit they are wrong in certain matters.

I can bet that if Ricoh had thought twice, and issues the GR with a 35mm lens, or even 43mm lens model, it would be an instant classic and immediately compared to X100 and placed ABOVE the Coolpix A.

28mm simply does not ring as good or as desirable as 35mm anywhere in the west. It's one of those "What the ..." focal lengths, that only some of more serious photographers may appreciate. The camera will have followers, but it won't be nowhere as hit as the X100 .. or the Leica X2 (if it were $1000 cheaper. :-)

tromboads · 04-12-2013, 09:42 PM

They just have more things to look at in japan, :P Every mm counts :P

JPT · 04-12-2013, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

28mm. Some Japanese will always be Japanese. But some still learn new tricks, like Fuji.
I can bet that the immense popularity of the X100 was because of the 35mm equiv. lens, not 28mm.
It's the same reason Pentax still does not have a 35mm equiv. DA lens, and probably never will.
Damn pride about wrong things. They will rather sink with the ship than admit they are wrong in certain matters.

I can bet that if Ricoh had thought twice, and issues the GR with a 35mm lens, or even 43mm lens model, it would be an instant classic and immediately compared to X100 and placed ABOVE the Coolpix A.

28mm simply does not ring as good or as desirable as 35mm anywhere in the west. It's one of those "What the ..." focal lengths, that only some of more serious photographers may appreciate. The camera will have followers, but it won't be nowhere as hit as the X100 .. or the Leica X2 (if it were $1000 cheaper. :-)

I completely agree that Pentax badly needs to make a 35mm equivalent lens for K-mount. It's a FOV I really like and such a strange omission in their line up. But regarding the GR series, Ricoh has a pretty loyal base of customers who are into 28mm and they will upgrade to a 28mm GR camera without hesitation. It's part of the brand identity.

I think to say that 28mm is a particularly "Japanese" focal length ignores that fact that there are many photographers in other countries who use 28mm. Also, since almost all lenses and cameras are designed in Japan, including the Fuji X100, there must be plenty of photographers in Japan who like a narrower field of view. Personally, I really like 28mm in a confined city, (e.g. Paris) and find it a real limitation when I have more space a round me (e.g. Hawaii). So, I feel it is more of an "urban" focal length.

ogl · 04-12-2013, 10:42 PM

FA*24/2 is 70% of my photos...I like 36 mm.
But I have GXR with A12 28. 28 mm is good too. But 36 mm is better.

IMO. More universal.

Zygonyx · 04-12-2013, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

28mm. Some Japanese will always be Japanese. But some still learn new tricks, like Fuji.
I can bet that the immense popularity of the X100 was because of the 35mm equiv. lens, not 28mm.
It's the same reason Pentax still does not have a 35mm equiv. DA lens, and probably never will.
Damn pride about wrong things. They will rather sink with the ship than admit they are wrong in certain matters.

I can bet that if Ricoh had thought twice, and issues the GR with a 35mm lens, or even 43mm lens model, it would be an instant classic and immediately compared to X100 and placed ABOVE the Coolpix A.

28mm simply does not ring as good or as desirable as 35mm anywhere in the west. It's one of those "What the ..." focal lengths, that only some of more serious photographers may appreciate. The camera will have followers, but it won't be nowhere as hit as the X100 .. or the Leica X2 (if it were $1000 cheaper. :-)

fully agreed on my part

If the rumor is confirmed, it will just be half-marketing jam just because of that.

04-12-2013, 10:22 AM	#18
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	The announcement will be on April, 17. The name of camera is simple. Ricoh GR. Last edited by ogl; 04-12-2013 at 10:34 AM.

04-12-2013, 08:48 PM	#26
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	28mm. Some Japanese will always be Japanese. But some still learn new tricks, like Fuji. I can bet that the immense popularity of the X100 was because of the 35mm equiv. lens, not 28mm. It's the same reason Pentax still does not have a 35mm equiv. DA lens, and probably never will. Damn pride about wrong things. They will rather sink with the ship than admit they are wrong in certain matters. I can bet that if Ricoh had thought twice, and issues the GR with a 35mm lens, or even 43mm lens model, it would be an instant classic and immediately compared to X100 and placed ABOVE the Coolpix A. 28mm simply does not ring as good or as desirable as 35mm anywhere in the west. It's one of those "What the ..." focal lengths, that only some of more serious photographers may appreciate. The camera will have followers, but it won't be nowhere as hit as the X100 .. or the Leica X2 (if it were $1000 cheaper. :-) Last edited by Uluru; 04-12-2013 at 08:56 PM.

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04-12-2013, 09:19 AM	#16
perpetual3 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 33	Originally posted by ogl GRDIV was good too. Still use mine as much as the K01. I love the focal length. Was hoping GR5 would have 28mm equivalent FOV.

04-12-2013, 09:42 AM	#17
Adam G Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 143	JPT means, the lens has a focal length that yields the same FoV on an APS-C sensor as a 28mm lens on a 35mm frame. So 19mm, then.

04-12-2013, 11:50 AM	#19
perpetual3 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 33	Originally posted by Adam G JPT means, the lens has a focal length that yields the same FoV on an APS-C sensor as a 28mm lens on a 35mm frame. So 19mm, then. Fantastic!

04-12-2013, 02:00 PM	#20
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Well, some of us would have preferred 35mm equ. range and definitely a faster f/2 lens. I understand the coolpix A optical quality, ergonomics and AF speed are quite "betterable"... so wait and see if Ricoh's experience in this type of cameras will take over coolpix A.

04-12-2013, 02:14 PM - 1 Like	#21
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by perpetual3 You choose to focus on the most insignificant fact - a simple evolution in processor. But the entire concept of the camera, apart from the sensor, is GRD. All Ricoh had to do was put a larger sensor into a GRD. Nikon had to conceptualize and create a whole new type of camera that is like...a GRD. If the concept, or the most significant fact, is a hi-end compact camera equipped with a 28mm f/2.8 fixed lens (or its equivalent in terms of field of view), then the Nikon 28Ti was released in 1994 and the Ricoh GR1 in 1996, two years later. So who copied whom?

04-12-2013, 03:26 PM	#22
Clarkey Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brampton, ON, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,456	Looks interesting, but I just want to see any PRIC announcement at this point.

04-12-2013, 05:30 PM	#23
NickLarsson Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,390	Originally posted by JPT - No image stabilisation, either in the lens or using the sensor Not cool. Quote: - it doesn't seem to have any Pentax DNA So the price won't be divided by 2 after 6 months, not cool either. But it will go on my next Christmas list for Santa Claus anyway

04-12-2013, 06:46 PM	#24
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Mistral75 If the concept, or the most significant fact, is a hi-end compact camera equipped with a 28mm f/2.8 fixed lens (or its equivalent in terms of field of view), then the Nikon 28Ti was released in 1994 and the Ricoh GR1 in 1996, two years later. So who copied whom? Olympus released the compact XA with a 28/2.8 in 1980

04-12-2013, 07:08 PM	#25
tromboads Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Melbs Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,240	And grx's will be cheaper. Horray

04-12-2013, 09:42 PM	#27
tromboads Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Melbs Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,240	They just have more things to look at in japan, :P Every mm counts :P

04-12-2013, 10:39 PM	#28
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821 Original Poster	Originally posted by Uluru 28mm. Some Japanese will always be Japanese. But some still learn new tricks, like Fuji. I can bet that the immense popularity of the X100 was because of the 35mm equiv. lens, not 28mm. It's the same reason Pentax still does not have a 35mm equiv. DA lens, and probably never will. Damn pride about wrong things. They will rather sink with the ship than admit they are wrong in certain matters. I can bet that if Ricoh had thought twice, and issues the GR with a 35mm lens, or even 43mm lens model, it would be an instant classic and immediately compared to X100 and placed ABOVE the Coolpix A. 28mm simply does not ring as good or as desirable as 35mm anywhere in the west. It's one of those "What the ..." focal lengths, that only some of more serious photographers may appreciate. The camera will have followers, but it won't be nowhere as hit as the X100 .. or the Leica X2 (if it were $1000 cheaper. :-) I completely agree that Pentax badly needs to make a 35mm equivalent lens for K-mount. It's a FOV I really like and such a strange omission in their line up. But regarding the GR series, Ricoh has a pretty loyal base of customers who are into 28mm and they will upgrade to a 28mm GR camera without hesitation. It's part of the brand identity. I think to say that 28mm is a particularly "Japanese" focal length ignores that fact that there are many photographers in other countries who use 28mm. Also, since almost all lenses and cameras are designed in Japan, including the Fuji X100, there must be plenty of photographers in Japan who like a narrower field of view. Personally, I really like 28mm in a confined city, (e.g. Paris) and find it a real limitation when I have more space a round me (e.g. Hawaii). So, I feel it is more of an "urban" focal length.

04-12-2013, 10:42 PM	#29
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	FA*24/2 is 70% of my photos...I like 36 mm. But I have GXR with A12 28. 28 mm is good too. But 36 mm is better. IMO. More universal.

04-12-2013, 11:58 PM	#30
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by Uluru 28mm. Some Japanese will always be Japanese. But some still learn new tricks, like Fuji. I can bet that the immense popularity of the X100 was because of the 35mm equiv. lens, not 28mm. It's the same reason Pentax still does not have a 35mm equiv. DA lens, and probably never will. Damn pride about wrong things. They will rather sink with the ship than admit they are wrong in certain matters. I can bet that if Ricoh had thought twice, and issues the GR with a 35mm lens, or even 43mm lens model, it would be an instant classic and immediately compared to X100 and placed ABOVE the Coolpix A. 28mm simply does not ring as good or as desirable as 35mm anywhere in the west. It's one of those "What the ..." focal lengths, that only some of more serious photographers may appreciate. The camera will have followers, but it won't be nowhere as hit as the X100 .. or the Leica X2 (if it were $1000 cheaper. :-) fully agreed on my part If the rumor is confirmed, it will just be half-marketing jam just because of that.