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disya2 · 04-15-2013, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Adam

Looks like a great camera, but why is it so similar to the coolpix a?

I suspect Nikon has a spy in Pentax/Ricoh headquarters

D7000 was anounced slightly earlier than K-5, had identical if not the same sensor, design ideas and market positioning were alike. Now that Coolpix A with odd (for Nikon) 28mm eqv. lens anounced a few weeks before Ricoh GR. If rumors were true, Pentax was going to anounce 24mp K-3(?) and Nikon "respond" with D7100. I can see a pattern here: know the idea and some specs, having more resources/bigger R&D department develop it quicker and then anonce earlier so many would say: "Ah... Pentax (Ricoh) xxx? They just copied Nikon yyy!"

Zygonyx · 04-15-2013, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Adam

Looks like a great camera, but why is it so similar to the coolpix a?

+1
Just do it with interchangeable lenses !

anthony mazzeri · 04-15-2013, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by devorama

First signs of Pentax influence? GRD IV had PASM modes. Now we have P, Av, Tv, TAv, and M. I'm excited to have TAv mode in a compact. It's my go-to mode for low light shooting.

They have also adopted the Pentax 'ON/OFF' in place of the much better Ricoh 'POWER' button name.

ogl · 04-15-2013, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Adam

Looks like a great camera, but why is it so similar to the coolpix a?

It is called Japanese photo brands collusion.

Zygonyx · 04-15-2013, 10:23 AM

Well, you could let us know what kind of collusion this can be - i would rather say "frontal competition"...

anthony mazzeri · 04-15-2013, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

+1
Just do it with interchangeable lenses !

??

It's a Ricoh GR.

Zoom lens is not a Ricoh GR. Interchangeable lenses is not a Ricoh GR. Why are people asking for something that is not a Ricoh GR in a Ricoh GR?

IchabodCrane · 04-15-2013, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by perpetual3

If you look at the history of the Ricoh GR line, including the recent digital GRD series, you'll realize that the Coolpix A is actually a clone of the GR.

I would agree if not for the apparent fact that Ricoh has dumped image stabilization (like the Coolpix A), presumably to fit the APS-C sensor into the body without making it bigger. Is that a good tradeoff? Time will tell but you have to wonder if they considered a 1" sensor, IS, and faster lens but rejected it.

perpetual3 · 04-15-2013, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by anthony mazzeri

??

It's a Ricoh GR.

Zoom lens is not a Ricoh GR. Interchangeable lenses is not a Ricoh GR. Why are people asking for something that is not a Ricoh GR in a Ricoh GR? Go buy a not-Ricoh GR from not-Ricoh if you want a not-Ricoh GR.

It's ok.

I've never seen so much attention on ricoh before. As with me, those really interested in the GR will uncover the heritage and realize that the GR is simply one of the best cameras.

perpetual3 · 04-15-2013, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by IchabodCrane

I would agree if not for the apparent fact that Ricoh has dumped image stabilization (like the Coolpix A), presumably to fit the APS-C sensor into the body without making it bigger. Is that a good tradeoff? Time will tell but you have to wonder if they considered a 1" sensor, IS, and faster lens but rejected it.

I don't know and to be honest I'm concerned about that as well. Hopefully high ISo is so good we won't have to worry too much about it.

anthony mazzeri · 04-15-2013, 10:35 AM

I assume IS would require a few extra mm in diameter of the image circle to cover the sensor movement so would require a larger lens.

I never missed having IS in my GRD III. It was only introduced in the GRD IV as far as I know. The twin separate phase-detect sensors new on the GRD IV also appear to have been a one-off as well since the GR omits this too (in favour of on-sensor PD, I assume).

ogl · 04-15-2013, 10:42 AM

want to have GR, but can't think out

perpetual3 · 04-15-2013, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by anthony mazzeri

I assume IS would require a few extra mm in diameter of the image circle to cover the sensor movement so would require a larger lens.

I never missed having IS in my GRD III. It was only introduced in the GRD IV as far as I know. The twin separate phase-detect sensors new on the GRD IV also appear to have been a one-off as well since the GR omits this too (in favour of on-sensor PD, I assume).

I hope so, but in reality I will purchase this camera. I really enjoy my K01, but just haven't been as productive with it as I am with the GRD4. The introduction of the GR will probably make this my wide-angle camera, and the K01 for more telephoto.

redpigeons · 04-15-2013, 11:09 AM

street beast !!
waiting to know price

**monochrome** · 04-15-2013, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by JinDesu

Ah dang, didn't realize it was equivalent 24mm.. 18mm on APS-C is a little wide for walking around for me

I should have bought the 28mm module when it was on sale.

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Looks great, but to much wide-angle for me.

The Olympus XA4 - 4th in the range of the "Professional Photographer's Pocket Camera," had a 28mm f/3.5 Macro lens. The original XA was 35 f/2.8. The GR 18.x would be about a 28 135 equiv., at the wide end but not awful. More for landscape and crowded street / market (and living room) than portrait, I guess.

Zygonyx · 04-15-2013, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by anthony mazzeri

??

It's a Ricoh GR.

Zoom lens is not a Ricoh GR. Interchangeable lenses is not a Ricoh GR. Why are people asking for something that is not a Ricoh GR in a Ricoh GR?

Originally posted by perpetual3

It's ok.

I've never seen so much attention on ricoh before. As with me, those really interested in the GR will uncover the heritage and realize that the GR is simply one of the best cameras.

It's OK for me too.
I was just meaning this base would be quite interesting for new MILC, let's call this GX later on

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04-15-2013, 10:17 AM	#61
disya2 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 91	Originally posted by Adam Looks like a great camera, but why is it so similar to the coolpix a? I suspect Nikon has a spy in Pentax/Ricoh headquarters D7000 was anounced slightly earlier than K-5, had identical if not the same sensor, design ideas and market positioning were alike. Now that Coolpix A with odd (for Nikon) 28mm eqv. lens anounced a few weeks before Ricoh GR. If rumors were true, Pentax was going to anounce 24mp K-3(?) and Nikon "respond" with D7100. I can see a pattern here: know the idea and some specs, having more resources/bigger R&D department develop it quicker and then anonce earlier so many would say: "Ah... Pentax (Ricoh) xxx? They just copied Nikon yyy!"

04-15-2013, 10:18 AM	#62
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by Adam Looks like a great camera, but why is it so similar to the coolpix a? +1 Just do it with interchangeable lenses !

04-15-2013, 10:19 AM	#63
anthony mazzeri Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 312	Originally posted by devorama First signs of Pentax influence? GRD IV had PASM modes. Now we have P, Av, Tv, TAv, and M. I'm excited to have TAv mode in a compact. It's my go-to mode for low light shooting. They have also adopted the Pentax 'ON/OFF' in place of the much better Ricoh 'POWER' button name.

04-15-2013, 10:20 AM	#64
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Adam Looks like a great camera, but why is it so similar to the coolpix a? It is called Japanese photo brands collusion.

04-15-2013, 10:23 AM	#65
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Well, you could let us know what kind of collusion this can be - i would rather say "frontal competition"...

04-15-2013, 10:24 AM	#66
anthony mazzeri Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 312	Originally posted by Zygonyx +1 Just do it with interchangeable lenses ! ?? It's a Ricoh GR. Zoom lens is not a Ricoh GR. Interchangeable lenses is not a Ricoh GR. Why are people asking for something that is not a Ricoh GR in a Ricoh GR?

04-15-2013, 10:25 AM	#67
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by perpetual3 If you look at the history of the Ricoh GR line, including the recent digital GRD series, you'll realize that the Coolpix A is actually a clone of the GR. I would agree if not for the apparent fact that Ricoh has dumped image stabilization (like the Coolpix A), presumably to fit the APS-C sensor into the body without making it bigger. Is that a good tradeoff? Time will tell but you have to wonder if they considered a 1" sensor, IS, and faster lens but rejected it.

04-15-2013, 10:27 AM	#68
perpetual3 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 33	Originally posted by anthony mazzeri ?? It's a Ricoh GR. Zoom lens is not a Ricoh GR. Interchangeable lenses is not a Ricoh GR. Why are people asking for something that is not a Ricoh GR in a Ricoh GR? Go buy a not-Ricoh GR from not-Ricoh if you want a not-Ricoh GR. It's ok. I've never seen so much attention on ricoh before. As with me, those really interested in the GR will uncover the heritage and realize that the GR is simply one of the best cameras.

04-15-2013, 10:29 AM	#69
perpetual3 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 33	Originally posted by IchabodCrane I would agree if not for the apparent fact that Ricoh has dumped image stabilization (like the Coolpix A), presumably to fit the APS-C sensor into the body without making it bigger. Is that a good tradeoff? Time will tell but you have to wonder if they considered a 1" sensor, IS, and faster lens but rejected it. I don't know and to be honest I'm concerned about that as well. Hopefully high ISo is so good we won't have to worry too much about it.

04-15-2013, 10:35 AM	#70
anthony mazzeri Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 312	I assume IS would require a few extra mm in diameter of the image circle to cover the sensor movement so would require a larger lens. I never missed having IS in my GRD III. It was only introduced in the GRD IV as far as I know. The twin separate phase-detect sensors new on the GRD IV also appear to have been a one-off as well since the GR omits this too (in favour of on-sensor PD, I assume).

04-15-2013, 10:42 AM	#71
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	want to have GR, but can't think out

04-15-2013, 10:53 AM	#72
perpetual3 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 33	Originally posted by anthony mazzeri I assume IS would require a few extra mm in diameter of the image circle to cover the sensor movement so would require a larger lens. I never missed having IS in my GRD III. It was only introduced in the GRD IV as far as I know. The twin separate phase-detect sensors new on the GRD IV also appear to have been a one-off as well since the GR omits this too (in favour of on-sensor PD, I assume). I hope so, but in reality I will purchase this camera. I really enjoy my K01, but just haven't been as productive with it as I am with the GRD4. The introduction of the GR will probably make this my wide-angle camera, and the K01 for more telephoto.

04-15-2013, 11:09 AM	#73
redpigeons Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 943	street beast !! waiting to know price

04-15-2013, 11:09 AM	#74
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by JinDesu Ah dang, didn't realize it was equivalent 24mm.. 18mm on APS-C is a little wide for walking around for me I should have bought the 28mm module when it was on sale. Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Looks great, but to much wide-angle for me. The Olympus XA4 - 4th in the range of the "Professional Photographer's Pocket Camera," had a 28mm f/3.5 Macro lens. The original XA was 35 f/2.8. The GR 18.x would be about a 28 135 equiv., at the wide end but not awful. More for landscape and crowded street / market (and living room) than portrait, I guess.

04-15-2013, 11:19 AM	#75
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by anthony mazzeri ?? It's a Ricoh GR. Zoom lens is not a Ricoh GR. Interchangeable lenses is not a Ricoh GR. Why are people asking for something that is not a Ricoh GR in a Ricoh GR? Originally posted by perpetual3 It's ok. I've never seen so much attention on ricoh before. As with me, those really interested in the GR will uncover the heritage and realize that the GR is simply one of the best cameras. It's OK for me too. I was just meaning this base would be quite interesting for new MILC, let's call this GX later on .

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