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**Aristophanes** · 04-15-2013, 04:04 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

Instead of copying what other manufacturers have already done, they could have made the camera much more useful by giving it a lens between 35mm and 50mm, with a 40mm probably being the best compromise. Spending that much on a camera that can only do such a wide angle is ridiculous. Yes, I know you can crop, but it's not the same - cropping is for fine-tuning composition, not for trying to turn a 28mm lens into a telephoto or normal.

It is far easier on a "move your feet camera" to go closer than it is to move further away. This is especially true with people photos indoors.

JinDesu · 04-15-2013, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

It is far easier on a "move your feet camera" to go closer than it is to move further away. This is especially true with people photos indoors.

Not to mention, 40mm is bordering on portrait lens territory on APSC. Walkaround primes are usually between 20 and 35mm. 18 gives the FOV of most compact cams and phones.

Or if we are talking about FF, that would be 60mm, 30-50mm, and 24mm.

NickLarsson · 04-15-2013, 04:29 PM - **1 Like**

There is an in-camera 35mm mode which should have around 10 Mpix, so no problem for those who want a longer FL.

**NaClH2O** · 04-15-2013, 05:26 PM

Nice camera but not for me. I got a dslr because I didn't want to limit myself to one focal length, any one focal length.

NaCl(I want more versatility than just 28mm or just 35mm or just 50mm or just...)H2O

Eyewanders · 04-15-2013, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by NaClH2O

Nice camera but not for me. I got a dslr because I didn't want to limit myself to one focal length, any one focal length.

NaCl(I want more versatility than just 28mm or just 35mm or just 50mm or just...)H2O

Well, it's a trade-off to be certain. I love options, and I pack my K models a fair amount of the time... but I bought a GRDIII so that I did not HAVE to carry a DSLR if I chose not to, and there've been countless situations in which I've been really happy with that decision. And, as Aristophanes said, it's far far easier to move toward a subject in most cases than it is to back away (with your "zoom" feet).

ElvisQ · 04-15-2013, 06:07 PM

Looks amazing, but i can't understand why somebody want a 28mm prime... I like 50mm or 35mm

Blue · 04-15-2013, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by ElvisQ

Looks amazing, but i can't understand why somebody want a 28mm prime... I like 50mm or 35mm

I guess the same guys that would by a K 28/2, F or FA 28/2.8.

Uluru · 04-15-2013, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

It is far easier on a "move your feet camera" to go closer than it is to move further away. This is especially true with people photos indoors.

Finally a thoughtful remark around here.

Uluru · 04-15-2013, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by ElvisQ

Looks amazing, but i can't understand why somebody want a 28mm prime... I like 50mm or 35mm

It seems that 35mm crop function is available, which gives a 10MP image.
A 50mm compact? A bit too narrow for a fixed lens compact. I know from my experience, that 47mm on Q is not always the happiest solution.
For a fixed lens camera, 28mm and 35mm work best, IMHO.

RyanW · 04-15-2013, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

Instead of copying what other manufacturers have already done.

They didn't copy others, others copied them. The GR and GRD line has long featured a 28mm lens.

Sigma makes a couple small big sensor cameras with longer lenses.

qleak · 04-15-2013, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by ElvisQ

Looks amazing, but i can't understand why somebody want a 28mm prime... I like 50mm or 35mm

Garry Winogrand shot with 28mm nearly exclusively, occasionally he'd switch to a 35mm because he'd want a change of pace. Then again Henri-Cartier Bresson shot almost exclusively with 135mm. So I guess it's really just a mater of preference what prime focal length you prefer. Most people prefer 35mm or 50mm but some really outstanding examples go outside of these ranges.

Best,

-Q

derekkite · 04-15-2013, 09:34 PM

Now I want to see something similar produced for the coming apsc dslr from Pentax. Same voice similar style. Great promotion.

jsherman999 · 04-15-2013, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by abieleck

....and the content seems like a bad translation. "Be your eyes.....because the GR will be your new eyes" ??? Not really sure what that means.

Better than the first translation attempt:

"Be your eyes... because the GR will pull your eyes from their sockets and replace them with itself."

.

Uluru · 04-15-2013, 10:45 PM

If the specs and data is true, just this new lens in the new GR can put many Pentax lenses to knees. And it's more modern and better coated than Leica's Elmarit.

This lens in GR is worth the asking money alone!

Uluru · 04-15-2013, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by derekkite

Now I want to see something similar produced for the coming apsc dslr from Pentax. Same voice similar style. Great promotion.

No, no, let it be Arnie's voice from the Terminator — "I'm baaack" ...

04-15-2013, 10:45 PM	#104
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	If the specs and data is true, just this new lens in the new GR can put many Pentax lenses to knees. And it's more modern and better coated than Leica's Elmarit. This lens in GR is worth the asking money alone! Last edited by Uluru; 04-15-2013 at 10:51 PM.

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04-15-2013, 04:04 PM - 3 Likes	#91
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac Instead of copying what other manufacturers have already done, they could have made the camera much more useful by giving it a lens between 35mm and 50mm, with a 40mm probably being the best compromise. Spending that much on a camera that can only do such a wide angle is ridiculous. Yes, I know you can crop, but it's not the same - cropping is for fine-tuning composition, not for trying to turn a 28mm lens into a telephoto or normal. It is far easier on a "move your feet camera" to go closer than it is to move further away. This is especially true with people photos indoors.

04-15-2013, 04:11 PM	#92
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by Aristophanes It is far easier on a "move your feet camera" to go closer than it is to move further away. This is especially true with people photos indoors. Not to mention, 40mm is bordering on portrait lens territory on APSC. Walkaround primes are usually between 20 and 35mm. 18 gives the FOV of most compact cams and phones. Or if we are talking about FF, that would be 60mm, 30-50mm, and 24mm.

04-15-2013, 04:29 PM - 1 Like	#93
NickLarsson Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,390	There is an in-camera 35mm mode which should have around 10 Mpix, so no problem for those who want a longer FL.

04-15-2013, 05:26 PM	#94
NaClH2O Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bronx NY Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,631	Nice camera but not for me. I got a dslr because I didn't want to limit myself to one focal length, any one focal length. NaCl(I want more versatility than just 28mm or just 35mm or just 50mm or just...)H2O

04-15-2013, 05:56 PM	#95
Eyewanders Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Land of the Salish Sea Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,343	Originally posted by NaClH2O Nice camera but not for me. I got a dslr because I didn't want to limit myself to one focal length, any one focal length. NaCl(I want more versatility than just 28mm or just 35mm or just 50mm or just...)H2O Well, it's a trade-off to be certain. I love options, and I pack my K models a fair amount of the time... but I bought a GRDIII so that I did not HAVE to carry a DSLR if I chose not to, and there've been countless situations in which I've been really happy with that decision. And, as Aristophanes said, it's far far easier to move toward a subject in most cases than it is to back away (with your "zoom" feet).

04-15-2013, 06:07 PM	#96
ElvisQ Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 74	Looks amazing, but i can't understand why somebody want a 28mm prime... I like 50mm or 35mm

04-15-2013, 06:14 PM	#97
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by ElvisQ Looks amazing, but i can't understand why somebody want a 28mm prime... I like 50mm or 35mm I guess the same guys that would by a K 28/2, F or FA 28/2.8.

04-15-2013, 06:28 PM	#98
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Aristophanes It is far easier on a "move your feet camera" to go closer than it is to move further away. This is especially true with people photos indoors. Finally a thoughtful remark around here.

04-15-2013, 06:32 PM	#99
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by ElvisQ Looks amazing, but i can't understand why somebody want a 28mm prime... I like 50mm or 35mm It seems that 35mm crop function is available, which gives a 10MP image. A 50mm compact? A bit too narrow for a fixed lens compact. I know from my experience, that 47mm on Q is not always the happiest solution. For a fixed lens camera, 28mm and 35mm work best, IMHO.

04-15-2013, 07:36 PM	#100
RyanW Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 583	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac Instead of copying what other manufacturers have already done. They didn't copy others, others copied them. The GR and GRD line has long featured a 28mm lens. Sigma makes a couple small big sensor cameras with longer lenses.

04-15-2013, 08:10 PM	#101
qleak Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 37	Originally posted by ElvisQ Looks amazing, but i can't understand why somebody want a 28mm prime... I like 50mm or 35mm Garry Winogrand shot with 28mm nearly exclusively, occasionally he'd switch to a 35mm because he'd want a change of pace. Then again Henri-Cartier Bresson shot almost exclusively with 135mm. So I guess it's really just a mater of preference what prime focal length you prefer. Most people prefer 35mm or 50mm but some really outstanding examples go outside of these ranges. Best, -Q

04-15-2013, 09:34 PM	#102
derekkite Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nelson B.C. Posts: 3,782	Now I want to see something similar produced for the coming apsc dslr from Pentax. Same voice similar style. Great promotion.

04-15-2013, 10:34 PM	#103
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by abieleck ....and the content seems like a bad translation. "Be your eyes.....because the GR will be your new eyes" ??? Not really sure what that means. Better than the first translation attempt: "Be your eyes... because the GR will pull your eyes from their sockets and replace them with itself." .

04-15-2013, 10:47 PM	#105
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by derekkite Now I want to see something similar produced for the coming apsc dslr from Pentax. Same voice similar style. Great promotion. No, no, let it be Arnie's voice from the Terminator — "I'm baaack" ...

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