New official Ricoh GR (2013) video

Jonathan Mac · 04-16-2013, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

It is far easier on a "move your feet camera" to go closer than it is to move further away. This is especially true with people photos indoors.

For crowds 28mm would be fine, but it's far, far too wide for portraits. If you get close at all you'll have distortion.

Originally posted by JinDesu

Not to mention, 40mm is bordering on portrait lens territory on APSC. Walkaround primes are usually between 20 and 35mm. 18 gives the FOV of most compact cams and phones.

Or if we are talking about FF, that would be 60mm, 30-50mm, and 24mm.

Sorry, I meant equivalent, so between 23 and 35mm in real terms.

Originally posted by NickLarsson

There is an in-camera 35mm mode which should have around 10 Mpix, so no problem for those who want a longer FL.

But this is just cropping!

Originally posted by ElvisQ

Looks amazing, but i can't understand why somebody want a 28mm prime... I like 50mm or 35mm

Exactly my point. If they had produced the camera with a longer focal length they would then offer something unique, and more useful, in this limited market.

Originally posted by Blue

I guess the same guys that would by a K 28/2, F or FA 28/2.8.

Not at all, because these are for an SLR and can therefore be swapped for other focal lengths. A fixed-lens camera needs the most useful focal length possible, and that won't be 28mm for the majority as in the broad scheme of things it's quite extreme. Do so many people want to shoot exclusively at wide angle???

ogl · 04-16-2013, 01:15 AM

First Impressions: Ricoh GR

From the video (0:24 min)
"The only thing that can beat GR is another GR."

Mistral75 · 04-16-2013, 02:55 AM

A picture to keep you interested?

Mistral75 · 04-16-2013, 03:03 AM

Another one?

Uluru · 04-16-2013, 03:22 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

Not at all, because these are for an SLR and can therefore be swapped for other focal lengths. A fixed-lens camera needs the most useful focal length possible, and that won't be 28mm for the majority as in the broad scheme of things it's quite extreme. Do so many people want to shoot exclusively at wide angle???

I think you are theorising without any user group that fits your description. Many people won't shoot any fixed lens camera at all, as zoom lenses are now mostly produced and accepted as de facto standard.

Now, out of these who really want to have a fixed lens option, they are more experienced — no doubt about that. They know the tradeoffs and are willing to live with them.

There you have basically two schools: one is European/Western and one is more traditional Japanese. When you give them 35mm and 28mm fixed lens cameras, the former likes the 35mm focal length and the latter likes the 28mm.

However, both give you a great solution to photograph (a) landscape, (b) very expressive portraits, (c) combination of both — interdependency of people and their environment.

A 50mm fixed lens hardly does best in landscape department, and for 50mm often more defensive approaches in photography are required:
(1) stepping back from the subject
(2) constantly keeping away / keeping distance from the subject
(3) waiting for a subject to "aesthetically fit" the frame.

Both 1, 2, and 3 nicely describe a "classic" approach to street photography, in the manner of Henri Cartier Bresson for example.

28mm and 35mm, however, allow for more spontaneous, engaging and stepping forward approach to taking photographs. It's more modern and relaxed, framing not so important, composition is freer, proper focus isn't important either, which is visible in works of the new wave of street photographers, like Winogrand, Meyerowitz, then more contemporary like Moriyama, etc.

Although I can see the possible potential for 35mm and maybe 40mm fixed lens camera in GR style, that latter probably won't happen anytime soon. But as a lens in some new system camera, well, yes, I can see it there.

Mistral75 · 04-16-2013, 03:28 AM

Some additional details on Ricoh GR:

- magnesium body
- weight with battery and SD card: 245g
- price: ¥99,000 (approx. US$1,000 / €775)
- price of 21mm wide conversion lens "GW-3": ¥22,000 (approx. US$225 / €175)
- available late May (same for GW-3)

See Digital Camera Info Information and images about the specs, price and release date of the Ricoh GR

Viennese · 04-16-2013, 03:40 AM

If you don´t know what to do with a 28mm watch this:

Antonin Kratochvil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Lfx8fh8_E

Daido Moriyama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKbFAPq75UI

The GR is a solid concept and allways was.

Uluru · 04-16-2013, 03:49 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Some additional details on Ricoh GR:

- magnesium body
- weight with battery and SD card: 245g
- price: ¥99,000 (approx. US$1,000 / €775)..

Other sources say it will be $800. Including one who had it previewed:
First Impressions: Ricoh GR

Uluru · 04-16-2013, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Some additional details on Ricoh GR:

- magnesium body
- weight with battery and SD card: 245g

That's great!.

I think original Q with a 01 lens and battery is something like that (around 235-240g).

Coolpix A is 50 grams heavier.

Well done Ricoh!

Mistral75 · 04-16-2013, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by Uluru

Other sources say it will be $800. Including one who had it previewed:
First Impressions: Ricoh GR

Indeed but price could vary according to country or currency.

ogl · 04-16-2013, 04:00 AM

The price will be ~ euro750 in Russia

Mistral75 · 04-16-2013, 04:56 AM

You know what? The official teaser is still private and the bootlegged one has been watched 32,000 times already.

Once again, Pentax Forums blow the Pentax-Ricoh's official marketing off!

**NaClH2O** · 04-16-2013, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by chickentender

Well, it's a trade-off to be certain. I love options, and I pack my K models a fair amount of the time... but I bought a GRDIII so that I did not HAVE to carry a DSLR if I chose not to, and there've been countless situations in which I've been really happy with that decision. And, as Aristophanes said, it's far far easier to move toward a subject in most cases than it is to back away (with your "zoom" feet).

It really doesn't matter what the focal length is, it is still only one focal length. In addition "zooming with the feet" either closer or farther away, changes the perspective. I would rather change lenses or zoom in or out to get the shot I want, not what some lens forces me to get.

NaCl(if I want small I'd get a Q)H2O

Na Horuk · 04-16-2013, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by NaClH2O

I would rather change lenses or zoom in or out to get the shot I want, not what some lens forces me to get.

Well, that is what DSLRs and the K-01 are for. The GR is very compact, I assume its meant to rival P&S and bridge cameras and other fixed lens cameras, not really to compete against SLRs

Mistral75 · 04-16-2013, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Some additional details on Ricoh GR:

- magnesium body
- weight with battery and SD card: 245g
- price: ¥99,000 (approx. US$1,000 / €775)
- price of 21mm wide conversion lens "GW-3": ¥22,000 (approx. US$225 / €175)
- available late May (same for GW-3)

See Digital Camera Info Information and images about the specs, price and release date of the Ricoh GR

Digital Camera Info have updated their news. Here are the additional specifications:

- Shutter speed: from 1/4,000s till 300s
- ISO100-25,600 (no ISO80)
- In-camera RAW processing
- New exposure mode TAv (well known from Pentaxians)
- working distance is 10cm from the front lens in macro mode.

04-16-2013, 03:22 AM - 1 Like	#110
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac Not at all, because these are for an SLR and can therefore be swapped for other focal lengths. A fixed-lens camera needs the most useful focal length possible, and that won't be 28mm for the majority as in the broad scheme of things it's quite extreme. Do so many people want to shoot exclusively at wide angle??? I think you are theorising without any user group that fits your description. Many people won't shoot any fixed lens camera at all, as zoom lenses are now mostly produced and accepted as de facto standard. Now, out of these who really want to have a fixed lens option, they are more experienced — no doubt about that. They know the tradeoffs and are willing to live with them. There you have basically two schools: one is European/Western and one is more traditional Japanese. When you give them 35mm and 28mm fixed lens cameras, the former likes the 35mm focal length and the latter likes the 28mm. However, both give you a great solution to photograph (a) landscape, (b) very expressive portraits, (c) combination of both — interdependency of people and their environment. A 50mm fixed lens hardly does best in landscape department, and for 50mm often more defensive approaches in photography are required: (1) stepping back from the subject (2) constantly keeping away / keeping distance from the subject (3) waiting for a subject to "aesthetically fit" the frame. Both 1, 2, and 3 nicely describe a "classic" approach to street photography, in the manner of Henri Cartier Bresson for example. 28mm and 35mm, however, allow for more spontaneous, engaging and stepping forward approach to taking photographs. It's more modern and relaxed, framing not so important, composition is freer, proper focus isn't important either, which is visible in works of the new wave of street photographers, like Winogrand, Meyerowitz, then more contemporary like Moriyama, etc. Although I can see the possible potential for 35mm and maybe 40mm fixed lens camera in GR style, that latter probably won't happen anytime soon. But as a lens in some new system camera, well, yes, I can see it there. Last edited by Uluru; 04-16-2013 at 03:37 AM.

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04-16-2013, 01:02 AM	#106
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,897	Originally posted by Aristophanes It is far easier on a "move your feet camera" to go closer than it is to move further away. This is especially true with people photos indoors. For crowds 28mm would be fine, but it's far, far too wide for portraits. If you get close at all you'll have distortion. Originally posted by JinDesu Not to mention, 40mm is bordering on portrait lens territory on APSC. Walkaround primes are usually between 20 and 35mm. 18 gives the FOV of most compact cams and phones. Or if we are talking about FF, that would be 60mm, 30-50mm, and 24mm. Sorry, I meant equivalent, so between 23 and 35mm in real terms. Originally posted by NickLarsson There is an in-camera 35mm mode which should have around 10 Mpix, so no problem for those who want a longer FL. But this is just cropping! Originally posted by ElvisQ Looks amazing, but i can't understand why somebody want a 28mm prime... I like 50mm or 35mm Exactly my point. If they had produced the camera with a longer focal length they would then offer something unique, and more useful, in this limited market. Originally posted by Blue I guess the same guys that would by a K 28/2, F or FA 28/2.8. Not at all, because these are for an SLR and can therefore be swapped for other focal lengths. A fixed-lens camera needs the most useful focal length possible, and that won't be 28mm for the majority as in the broad scheme of things it's quite extreme. Do so many people want to shoot exclusively at wide angle???

04-16-2013, 01:15 AM	#107
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	First Impressions: Ricoh GR From the video (0:24 min) "The only thing that can beat GR is another GR."

04-16-2013, 02:55 AM	#108
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	A picture to keep you interested?

04-16-2013, 03:03 AM	#109
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Another one?

04-16-2013, 03:28 AM	#111
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Some additional details on Ricoh GR: - magnesium body - weight with battery and SD card: 245g - price: ¥99,000 (approx. US$1,000 / €775) - price of 21mm wide conversion lens "GW-3": ¥22,000 (approx. US$225 / €175) - available late May (same for GW-3) See Digital Camera Info Information and images about the specs, price and release date of the Ricoh GR

04-16-2013, 03:40 AM	#112
Viennese Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 39	If you don´t know what to do with a 28mm watch this: Antonin Kratochvil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Lfx8fh8_E Daido Moriyama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKbFAPq75UI The GR is a solid concept and allways was.

04-16-2013, 03:49 AM	#113
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Mistral75 Some additional details on Ricoh GR: - magnesium body - weight with battery and SD card: 245g - price: ¥99,000 (approx. US$1,000 / €775).. Other sources say it will be $800. Including one who had it previewed: First Impressions: Ricoh GR

04-16-2013, 03:54 AM	#114
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Mistral75 Some additional details on Ricoh GR: - magnesium body - weight with battery and SD card: 245g That's great!. I think original Q with a 01 lens and battery is something like that (around 235-240g). Coolpix A is 50 grams heavier. Well done Ricoh!

04-16-2013, 03:57 AM	#115
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Uluru Other sources say it will be $800. Including one who had it previewed: First Impressions: Ricoh GR Indeed but price could vary according to country or currency.

04-16-2013, 04:00 AM	#116
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	The price will be ~ euro750 in Russia

04-16-2013, 04:56 AM	#117
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	You know what? The official teaser is still private and the bootlegged one has been watched 32,000 times already. Once again, Pentax Forums blow the Pentax-Ricoh's official marketing off!

04-16-2013, 04:58 AM	#118
NaClH2O Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bronx NY Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,631	Originally posted by chickentender Well, it's a trade-off to be certain. I love options, and I pack my K models a fair amount of the time... but I bought a GRDIII so that I did not HAVE to carry a DSLR if I chose not to, and there've been countless situations in which I've been really happy with that decision. And, as Aristophanes said, it's far far easier to move toward a subject in most cases than it is to back away (with your "zoom" feet). It really doesn't matter what the focal length is, it is still only one focal length. In addition "zooming with the feet" either closer or farther away, changes the perspective. I would rather change lenses or zoom in or out to get the shot I want, not what some lens forces me to get. NaCl(if I want small I'd get a Q)H2O

04-16-2013, 05:09 AM	#119
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Originally posted by NaClH2O I would rather change lenses or zoom in or out to get the shot I want, not what some lens forces me to get. Well, that is what DSLRs and the K-01 are for. The GR is very compact, I assume its meant to rival P&S and bridge cameras and other fixed lens cameras, not really to compete against SLRs

04-16-2013, 05:22 AM	#120
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Mistral75 Some additional details on Ricoh GR: - magnesium body - weight with battery and SD card: 245g - price: ¥99,000 (approx. US$1,000 / €775) - price of 21mm wide conversion lens "GW-3": ¥22,000 (approx. US$225 / €175) - available late May (same for GW-3) See Digital Camera Info Information and images about the specs, price and release date of the Ricoh GR Digital Camera Info have updated their news. Here are the additional specifications: - Shutter speed: from 1/4,000s till 300s - ISO100-25,600 (no ISO80) - In-camera RAW processing - New exposure mode TAv (well known from Pentaxians) - working distance is 10cm from the front lens in macro mode.