New Ricoh GR Officially Announced

JinDesu · 04-17-2013, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by mrmentera

I really dont want to ruin the party but I see things in the pictures that seem to be sharper (or more in focus) with the Nikon. Look at the green "leaves" up to the right, together with the feather. I also wonder why the Ricohs corner have the black stripes saw-tothed. Look upper right. Pixels?

I seen comparisonpictures from dpreview before that obviously not were in focus and maybe the cameras focusplane are different so you can get a lot of results dependeing on what you give priority to.
Am I completely way off?

Ricoh GR Hands-on Preview: Digital Photography Review

Jaggies is an aliasing artifact, most likely generated by the JPEG engine/settings.

You are correct about the upper right feather and leaf. The other 3 corners look sharp in that relative region, You can actually look at the opposite feathers/grass section in the GR shot to see the difference. I can't imagine why, as the feather/grass should be equal distance to the camera...

**monochrome** · 04-17-2013, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by MSM

Did I see something about charging the battery with a USB connector?

Also, what do you all think this means for the GXR system???

There is a comment on the other thread about the Ricoh line on the special Ricoh page at the Pentax.jp site prominently showing the GXR

devorama · 04-17-2013, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by mrmentera

I really dont want to ruin the party but I see things in the pictures that seem to be sharper (or more in focus) with the Nikon. Look at the green "leaves" up to the right, together with the feather. I also wonder why the Ricohs corner have the black stripes saw-tothed. Look upper right. Pixels?

Ricoh GR Hands-on Preview: Digital Photography Review

It looks like the Ricoh has some lens decentering or something. Look at the color wheels at 100%. The lower left one is distinctly sharper than the one at upper right.

gazonk · 04-17-2013, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by devorama

It looks like the Ricoh has some lens decentering or something. Look at the color wheels at 100%. The lower left one is distinctly sharper than the one at upper right.

Indeed! Surprising given that the extreme corners are so much better than on the Nikon.

devorama · 04-17-2013, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by devorama

It looks like the Ricoh has some lens decentering or something. Look at the color wheels at 100%. The lower left one is distinctly sharper than the one at upper right.

Here is a crop of the far left and far right parts of the image at 200%. Notice the magenta/green color shift from the longitudinal chromatic aberration. Looks like to focus plane was not parallel to the subject.

Also, here's a 100% crop of the part of the playing cards from the lower left as well as the upper right. The lower left is much sharper.

I hope this is just a bad sample. I'm not familiar with Ricoh's level of quality control.

Biro · 04-17-2013, 01:31 PM - **1 Like**

Devorama, there are also some crops in the DPReview report (such as the 100% crop of the top left corner) in which the Nikon looks out of focus or decentered and the Ricoh looks good. Regrettably, it's always possible.

Meanwhile, just for jollies... here's a camera size comparison between the Sony RX100, the new Ricoh GR and the Nikon A:

Compact Camera Meter

The Ricoh is a bit longer than the RX100 but actually a tick more slim. This will be a great pocket camera and likely to make it into my kit.

junyo · 04-17-2013, 01:33 PM - **1 Like**

Quote:

We won’t use a design simply to stand out
Only a form that fits the function, and designs that will stand the test of time as a camera will remain. We aim for design that cannot be noticed, design that feels as if it has always been there.

GR | PENTAX RICOH IMAGING

Somewhere in Ricoh Pentax HQ, in a product brainstorming session:
"So we're going to release this in 15 color combinations okay? I see a Hello Kitty special edition, and a Mobile Suit Gundam Wing version..."
<SLAP!>
"Okay, how many times do we need to explain this. We're Ricoh now. We make cameras. If your idea is an existing product in a different color, please put your ID on the table and leave the room. Now does anyone have an idea for a ca-mer-ah?

And I swear, if you mention the color of the body, you get another slap."
"Sir, Marc Newson is calling again on line..."
"On the line you're going to hang up now? Excellent."

beholder3 · 04-17-2013, 02:07 PM

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JinDesu · 04-17-2013, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by beholder3

Go compare the blue textiles towards the upper left corner (ISO 400):

http://216.18.212.226/PRODS/nikon-a/...I00400NR2D.JPG
vs.
http://216.18.212.226/PRODS/ricoh-gr...LI00400NRA.JPG

This does support the suspicion that the Nikon's lens is really weak in the corners.

The tip of the white towel in the lower right corner is also showing bad CAs.

Heck, that one shows the GR better in the center as well.

falconeye · 04-17-2013, 05:53 PM

In all the DPR samples, don't ignore the text samples from the centers.
IMHO, it shows that ommitting the Bayer-AA filter in a 16 MP APS-C camera can have a negative impact. For all who tend to think that moiré is a ghost ...

mikemike · 04-17-2013, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by falconeye

The only complaint so far would be that the 808 isn't exactly as responsive as a good stand-alone camera (it is ok, but this is a one picture after another camera).

So, I am wondering why nobody builds an 808-alike dedicated camera: small and capable, but with improved ergonomics for the enthusiast photographer and for action.

I think they need a crazy lens for the 808, CZ with all aspheric elements IIRC. It would be awesome if they could scale it up to APS-C or u4/3 size sensor in a form factor similar to GR or Coolpix A with 100+ MP and a heap of electronics to make something reasonable out of it (either that or satisfy the film lovers by fitting only 24 raw exposures on a 32 GB memory card). Sony or Samsung would probably be the most likely partners for a project like that but I doubt it would happen given phone business rivalries.

Eyewanders · 04-17-2013, 09:59 PM

Didnt see this vid posted yet... haven't watched through yet but it seems to simply go through all the in-cam menus. Not terribly exciting but ya know..

Youtu.be

kyteflyer · 04-18-2013, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by chickentender

Didnt see this vid posted yet... haven't watched through yet but it seems to simply go through all the in-cam menus. Not terribly exciting but ya know..
[DIGIPHOTO]Ricoh GR???? - YouTube

No excitement in knowing you wont lose the features from the GRD series, but will gain some from Pentax? I'm so excited about this camera, if I had the wherewithal I would be pre-ordering. I have to wait, damn.

kyteflyer · 04-18-2013, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by Biro

Devorama, there are also some crops in the DPReview report (such as the 100% crop of the top left corner) in which the Nikon looks out of focus or decentered and the Ricoh looks good. Regrettably, it's always possible.

Meanwhile, just for jollies... here's a camera size comparison between the Sony RX100, the new Ricoh GR and the Nikon A:

Compact Camera Meter

The Ricoh is a bit longer than the RX100 but actually a tick more slim. This will be a great pocket camera and likely to make it into my kit.

+1. No doubt about it for me. Its been a long time since I really got excited about a camera (the last was the X100 and I still really like that)

Unsinkable II · 04-18-2013, 01:38 AM

Well, Ken Rockwell has chimed in with his thoughts on the GR:

"No viewfinder of any kind (just hold it in front of your face like an iPhone to compose), no aperture or shutter-speed dials. It's like a car without a steering wheel; technical progress to some people means that critical functions be delegated to a menu or button and dial system.

Good luck!

The Fuji X100s is so much better; mine just arrived."

He is demonstrating a real lack of understanding...

04-17-2013, 01:22 PM	#65
devorama Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 638	Originally posted by devorama It looks like the Ricoh has some lens decentering or something. Look at the color wheels at 100%. The lower left one is distinctly sharper than the one at upper right. Here is a crop of the far left and far right parts of the image at 200%. Notice the magenta/green color shift from the longitudinal chromatic aberration. Looks like to focus plane was not parallel to the subject. Also, here's a 100% crop of the part of the playing cards from the lower left as well as the upper right. The lower left is much sharper. I hope this is just a bad sample. I'm not familiar with Ricoh's level of quality control. Attached Images

04-17-2013, 02:07 PM	#68
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	[deleted] Last edited by beholder3; 08-11-2013 at 07:09 AM. Reason: [deleted]

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04-17-2013, 12:33 PM	#61
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by mrmentera I really dont want to ruin the party but I see things in the pictures that seem to be sharper (or more in focus) with the Nikon. Look at the green "leaves" up to the right, together with the feather. I also wonder why the Ricohs corner have the black stripes saw-tothed. Look upper right. Pixels? I seen comparisonpictures from dpreview before that obviously not were in focus and maybe the cameras focusplane are different so you can get a lot of results dependeing on what you give priority to. Am I completely way off? Ricoh GR Hands-on Preview: Digital Photography Review Jaggies is an aliasing artifact, most likely generated by the JPEG engine/settings. You are correct about the upper right feather and leaf. The other 3 corners look sharp in that relative region, You can actually look at the opposite feathers/grass section in the GR shot to see the difference. I can't imagine why, as the feather/grass should be equal distance to the camera...

04-17-2013, 12:37 PM	#62
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by MSM Did I see something about charging the battery with a USB connector? Also, what do you all think this means for the GXR system??? There is a comment on the other thread about the Ricoh line on the special Ricoh page at the Pentax.jp site prominently showing the GXR

04-17-2013, 12:50 PM	#63
devorama Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 638	Originally posted by mrmentera I really dont want to ruin the party but I see things in the pictures that seem to be sharper (or more in focus) with the Nikon. Look at the green "leaves" up to the right, together with the feather. I also wonder why the Ricohs corner have the black stripes saw-tothed. Look upper right. Pixels? Ricoh GR Hands-on Preview: Digital Photography Review It looks like the Ricoh has some lens decentering or something. Look at the color wheels at 100%. The lower left one is distinctly sharper than the one at upper right.

04-17-2013, 01:19 PM	#64
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by devorama It looks like the Ricoh has some lens decentering or something. Look at the color wheels at 100%. The lower left one is distinctly sharper than the one at upper right. Indeed! Surprising given that the extreme corners are so much better than on the Nikon.

04-17-2013, 01:31 PM - 1 Like	#66
Biro Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,200	Devorama, there are also some crops in the DPReview report (such as the 100% crop of the top left corner) in which the Nikon looks out of focus or decentered and the Ricoh looks good. Regrettably, it's always possible. Meanwhile, just for jollies... here's a camera size comparison between the Sony RX100, the new Ricoh GR and the Nikon A: Compact Camera Meter The Ricoh is a bit longer than the RX100 but actually a tick more slim. This will be a great pocket camera and likely to make it into my kit.

04-17-2013, 01:33 PM - 1 Like	#67
junyo Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 418	Quote: We won’t use a design simply to stand out Only a form that fits the function, and designs that will stand the test of time as a camera will remain. We aim for design that cannot be noticed, design that feels as if it has always been there. GR \| PENTAX RICOH IMAGING Somewhere in Ricoh Pentax HQ, in a product brainstorming session: "So we're going to release this in 15 color combinations okay? I see a Hello Kitty special edition, and a Mobile Suit Gundam Wing version..." <SLAP!> "Okay, how many times do we need to explain this. We're Ricoh now. We make cameras. If your idea is an existing product in a different color, please put your ID on the table and leave the room. Now does anyone have an idea for a ca-mer-ah? And I swear, if you mention the color of the body, you get another slap." "Sir, Marc Newson is calling again on line..." "On the line you're going to hang up now? Excellent."

04-17-2013, 02:19 PM	#69
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by beholder3 Go compare the blue textiles towards the upper left corner (ISO 400): http://216.18.212.226/PRODS/nikon-a/...I00400NR2D.JPG vs. http://216.18.212.226/PRODS/ricoh-gr...LI00400NRA.JPG This does support the suspicion that the Nikon's lens is really weak in the corners. The tip of the white towel in the lower right corner is also showing bad CAs. Heck, that one shows the GR better in the center as well.

04-17-2013, 05:53 PM	#70
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	In all the DPR samples, don't ignore the text samples from the centers. IMHO, it shows that ommitting the Bayer-AA filter in a 16 MP APS-C camera can have a negative impact. For all who tend to think that moiré is a ghost ...

04-17-2013, 09:47 PM	#71
mikemike Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New Orleans Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,053	Originally posted by falconeye The only complaint so far would be that the 808 isn't exactly as responsive as a good stand-alone camera (it is ok, but this is a one picture after another camera). So, I am wondering why nobody builds an 808-alike dedicated camera: small and capable, but with improved ergonomics for the enthusiast photographer and for action. I think they need a crazy lens for the 808, CZ with all aspheric elements IIRC. It would be awesome if they could scale it up to APS-C or u4/3 size sensor in a form factor similar to GR or Coolpix A with 100+ MP and a heap of electronics to make something reasonable out of it (either that or satisfy the film lovers by fitting only 24 raw exposures on a 32 GB memory card). Sony or Samsung would probably be the most likely partners for a project like that but I doubt it would happen given phone business rivalries.

04-18-2013, 01:13 AM	#73
kyteflyer Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Newcastle, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,444	Originally posted by chickentender Didnt see this vid posted yet... haven't watched through yet but it seems to simply go through all the in-cam menus. Not terribly exciting but ya know.. [DIGIPHOTO]Ricoh GR???? - YouTube No excitement in knowing you wont lose the features from the GRD series, but will gain some from Pentax? I'm so excited about this camera, if I had the wherewithal I would be pre-ordering. I have to wait, damn.

04-18-2013, 01:15 AM	#74
kyteflyer Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Newcastle, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,444	Originally posted by Biro Devorama, there are also some crops in the DPReview report (such as the 100% crop of the top left corner) in which the Nikon looks out of focus or decentered and the Ricoh looks good. Regrettably, it's always possible. Meanwhile, just for jollies... here's a camera size comparison between the Sony RX100, the new Ricoh GR and the Nikon A: Compact Camera Meter The Ricoh is a bit longer than the RX100 but actually a tick more slim. This will be a great pocket camera and likely to make it into my kit. +1. No doubt about it for me. Its been a long time since I really got excited about a camera (the last was the X100 and I still really like that)

04-18-2013, 01:38 AM	#75
Unsinkable II Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,352	Well, Ken Rockwell has chimed in with his thoughts on the GR: "No viewfinder of any kind (just hold it in front of your face like an iPhone to compose), no aperture or shutter-speed dials. It's like a car without a steering wheel; technical progress to some people means that critical functions be delegated to a menu or button and dial system. Good luck! The Fuji X100s is so much better; mine just arrived." He is demonstrating a real lack of understanding...