New Ricoh GR Officially Announced

Clavius · 04-17-2013, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

They're not even close to the number of cameras Sony has released with this excellent sensor themselves...

True... Although Sony definitely varied more, issueing cameras with all kinds of sensors. Whilst 100% of the Pentax large sensor cameras is fitted with the exact same sensor. And now they started to infect Ricoh with it as well!

LOL, If Pentax wants to get rid of their excess stock of this Sony sensor, they should issue a double K-mount HD 3D camcorder. That'll give LBA a new dimension. (Get it?)

pinholecam · 04-17-2013, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by wigelII

What do you mean?
Does the release of a fixed lens wide angle camera (who uses these?) with an old 16 MP sensor have to make us optimistic for the future?

Being cheaper than the others might be an advantage but it definitely isn't a quality of a camera

Originally posted by grispie

1. who uses these? apparently more people than you have in mind...
2. the release of a APSC sensor in a small quality body with the specs described does make me optimistic for the future. yes

+1 to what grispie said.

Old sensor?
New is always better?
Not from what I've seen on DPR and IR samples.
The AA filterless 16mp is a nice balance between low noise o/p, high ISO performance and certainly enough megapix for the enthusiast.

**monochrome** · 04-17-2013, 08:11 AM - **13 Likes**

<rant>

Maybe it is the nature of Forums - but why is it that, no matter what the new product, there is a group of posters who refuse (or are not able) to think about the product target market, how the product suits the target market, why the designers made decisions for that target market - and then why can't they think about the product as one tactical placement within an over all brand strategy? Why must every new product be the hosanna from on high total solution for 100,000,000 users' needs?

Why is it that every single product Pentax Ricoh introduces shows how stupid they are and what they could have done instead to be smart and cool and hip and sell more (if they had just done what I want?) just like Sony or Oly or Fuji. Go to the Sony or Oly or Fuji Forum. I don't want a NEX anything. I don't want the "cigarettes and a beer can" truth of compact cameras and I don't need to act cool and have one just to impress my other hipster friends.

This is a Ricoh pocket street camera for Ricoh pocket street camera users. It carries on a 30 year tradition. Nikon Coolpix A copied Ricoh. Ricoh fired back and demolished Nikon. It wasn't the other way around.

Get some knowledge and perspective and make some accurate critical conmments - if you are able.
</rant>

perpetual3 · 04-17-2013, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

<rant>

Maybe it is the nature of Forums - but why is it that, no matter what the new product, there is a group of posters who refuse (or are not able) to think about the product target market, how the product suits the target market, why the designers made decisions for that target market - and then think of the product as one tactical placement within an over all brand strategy. Why must every new peroduct be the hosanna from on high total solution for 100,000,000 users' needs?

Why is it that every single product Pentax Ricoh introduces shows how stupid they are and what they could have done instead to be smart and cool and hip and sell more (if they had just done what I want?) just like Sony or Oly or Fuji. Go to the Sony or Oly or Fuji Forum. I don't want a NEX anything. I don't want the "cigarettes and a beer can" truth of compact cameras and I don't need to act cool and have one just to impress my other hipster friends.

This is a Ricoh pocket street camera for Ricoh pocket street camera users. It carries on a 30 year tradition. Nikon Coolpix A copied Ricoh. Ricoh fired back and demolished Nikon. It wasn't the other way around.

Get some knowledge and perspective and make some accurate critical conmments - if you are able.
</rant>

Yes bro! Nikon copied Ricoh and now Ricoh shows them how its done!

Personally., I like the fact that this camera is on what - its 8th iteration or something close to that. A refinement. An evolution.

Check out the GR special site: GR | PENTAX RICOH IMAGING

Read how they themselves describe the camera. There is depth and soul behind the GR. And a main selling point is that the features are the result of years of user feedback, and that this will continue with firmware updates adding more functionality. I bet they already have some planned.

I also love their little attentions to things - like protecting the LCD so I don't have to buy the ACMAXX protector. That also the result of feedback. And the fact that I can use my GV-2 viewfinder from my GRD4...

johnmflores · 04-17-2013, 08:33 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by monochrome

<rant>

Maybe it is the nature of Forums - but why is it that, no matter what the new product, there is a group of posters who refuse (or are not able) to think about the product target market, how the product suits the target market, why the designers made decisions for that target market - and then think of the product as one tactical placement within an over all brand strategy. Why must every new peroduct be the hosanna from on high total solution for 100,000,000 users' needs?

Why is it that every single product Pentax Ricoh introduces shows how stupid they are and what they could have done instead to be smart and cool and hip and sell more (if they had just done what I want?) just like Sony or Oly or Fuji. Go to the Sony or Oly or Fuji Forum. I don't want a NEX anything. I don't want the "cigarettes and a beer can" truth of compact cameras and I don't need to act cool and have one just to impress my other hipster friends.

This is a Ricoh pocket street camera for Ricoh pocket street camera users. It carries on a 30 year tradition. Nikon Coolpix A copied Ricoh. Ricoh fired back and demolished Nikon. It wasn't the other way around.

Get some knowledge and perspective and make some accurate critical conmments - if you are able.
</rant>

Can I get an amen?

gazonk · 04-17-2013, 08:34 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Clavius

LOL, If Pentax wants to get rid of their excess stock of this Sony sensor, they should issue a double K-mount HD 3D camcorder. That'll give LBA a new dimension. (Get it?)

So if you mount two FA31s on that camcorder, with their famous 3d rendering - does that give you 9 dimensional pictures?

MMVIII · 04-17-2013, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Why wouldn't someone grab a (for example) NEX5N instead?

The Sony is tiny, but not in a functioning assemblage. At least you need a lens, here we go:
Compact Camera Meter
Just an example, I would assume the border between pocketable and not lies directly between that. And with the GR you get a sharp image border to border, unlike with the Sony pancake.

Last edited by MMVIII; 04-17-2013 at 08:48 AM. Reason: added quote

Eyewanders · 04-17-2013, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

So if you mount two FA31s on that camcorder, with their famous 3d rendering - does that give you 9 dimensional pictures?

At which point time/space would rip open and the shooter would turn into a beam of light and envelop everthing around them.

gazonk · 04-17-2013, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by MMVIII

The Sony is tiny, but not in a functioning assemblage. At least you need a lens, here we go:
Compact Camera Meter
Just an example, I would assume the border between pocketable and not lies directly between that. And with the GR you get a sharp image border to border, unlike with the Sony pancake.

The Sigma 19mm is no slouch though.

JinDesu · 04-17-2013, 08:48 AM

After seeing that there is a 10MP crop mode for a 24mm APSC/35mm FF equivalent frame, it's much much much more attractive to me. I'd just set it into that mode for all my shooting...

johnmflores · 04-17-2013, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by chickentender

At which point time/space would rip open and the shooter would turn into a beam of light and envelop everthing around them.

Someone likes the science fiction LOL.

MMVIII · 04-17-2013, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

The Sigma 19mm is no slouch though.

Agreed, but here we go again:

Compact Camera Meter

Size/IQ-ratio is a major point here.

Eyewanders · 04-17-2013, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by JPT

This report has some interesting pictures from the Japanese launch event, including custom models and more branded watches!

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20130417_596344.html

I think that slide that graphs their line-up is interesting because it still includes the GXR system.

Google translated
Google Translate

this should make ogl breahe easier.....

Originally posted by johnmflores

Someone likes the science fiction LOL.

whaaaat? whatchu mean?

JinDesu · 04-17-2013, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by JPT

This report has some interesting pictures from the Japanese launch event, including custom models and more branded watches!

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20130417_596344.html

I think that slide that graphs their line-up is interesting because it still includes the GXR system.

Google translated
Google Translate

Oh man - I want the Pentax K watch...

[

**monochrome** · 04-17-2013, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by JinDesu

Oh man - I want the Pentax K watch...

I want one of each, one for each wrist.

04-17-2013, 08:11 AM - 13 Likes	#33
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	<rant> Maybe it is the nature of Forums - but why is it that, no matter what the new product, there is a group of posters who refuse (or are not able) to think about the product target market, how the product suits the target market, why the designers made decisions for that target market - and then why can't they think about the product as one tactical placement within an over all brand strategy? Why must every new product be the hosanna from on high total solution for 100,000,000 users' needs? Why is it that every single product Pentax Ricoh introduces shows how stupid they are and what they could have done instead to be smart and cool and hip and sell more (if they had just done what I want?) just like Sony or Oly or Fuji. Go to the Sony or Oly or Fuji Forum. I don't want a NEX anything. I don't want the "cigarettes and a beer can" truth of compact cameras and I don't need to act cool and have one just to impress my other hipster friends. This is a Ricoh pocket street camera for Ricoh pocket street camera users. It carries on a 30 year tradition. Nikon Coolpix A copied Ricoh. Ricoh fired back and demolished Nikon. It wasn't the other way around. Get some knowledge and perspective and make some accurate critical conmments - if you are able. </rant> Last edited by monochrome; 04-17-2013 at 08:44 AM.

04-17-2013, 08:53 AM	#42
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by gazonk The Sigma 19mm is no slouch though. Agreed, but here we go again: Compact Camera Meter Size/IQ-ratio is a major point here. Last edited by MMVIII; 04-17-2013 at 08:58 AM.

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04-17-2013, 07:50 AM	#31
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by gazonk They're not even close to the number of cameras Sony has released with this excellent sensor themselves... True... Although Sony definitely varied more, issueing cameras with all kinds of sensors. Whilst 100% of the Pentax large sensor cameras is fitted with the exact same sensor. And now they started to infect Ricoh with it as well! LOL, If Pentax wants to get rid of their excess stock of this Sony sensor, they should issue a double K-mount HD 3D camcorder. That'll give LBA a new dimension. (Get it?)

04-17-2013, 07:53 AM	#32
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	Originally posted by wigelII What do you mean? Does the release of a fixed lens wide angle camera (who uses these?) with an old 16 MP sensor have to make us optimistic for the future? Being cheaper than the others might be an advantage but it definitely isn't a quality of a camera Originally posted by grispie 1. who uses these? apparently more people than you have in mind... 2. the release of a APSC sensor in a small quality body with the specs described does make me optimistic for the future. yes +1 to what grispie said. Old sensor? New is always better? Not from what I've seen on DPR and IR samples. The AA filterless 16mp is a nice balance between low noise o/p, high ISO performance and certainly enough megapix for the enthusiast.

04-17-2013, 08:23 AM	#34
perpetual3 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 33	Originally posted by monochrome <rant> Maybe it is the nature of Forums - but why is it that, no matter what the new product, there is a group of posters who refuse (or are not able) to think about the product target market, how the product suits the target market, why the designers made decisions for that target market - and then think of the product as one tactical placement within an over all brand strategy. Why must every new peroduct be the hosanna from on high total solution for 100,000,000 users' needs? Why is it that every single product Pentax Ricoh introduces shows how stupid they are and what they could have done instead to be smart and cool and hip and sell more (if they had just done what I want?) just like Sony or Oly or Fuji. Go to the Sony or Oly or Fuji Forum. I don't want a NEX anything. I don't want the "cigarettes and a beer can" truth of compact cameras and I don't need to act cool and have one just to impress my other hipster friends. This is a Ricoh pocket street camera for Ricoh pocket street camera users. It carries on a 30 year tradition. Nikon Coolpix A copied Ricoh. Ricoh fired back and demolished Nikon. It wasn't the other way around. Get some knowledge and perspective and make some accurate critical conmments - if you are able. </rant> Yes bro! Nikon copied Ricoh and now Ricoh shows them how its done! Personally., I like the fact that this camera is on what - its 8th iteration or something close to that. A refinement. An evolution. Check out the GR special site: GR \| PENTAX RICOH IMAGING Read how they themselves describe the camera. There is depth and soul behind the GR. And a main selling point is that the features are the result of years of user feedback, and that this will continue with firmware updates adding more functionality. I bet they already have some planned. I also love their little attentions to things - like protecting the LCD so I don't have to buy the ACMAXX protector. That also the result of feedback. And the fact that I can use my GV-2 viewfinder from my GRD4...

04-17-2013, 08:33 AM - 2 Likes	#35
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by monochrome <rant> Maybe it is the nature of Forums - but why is it that, no matter what the new product, there is a group of posters who refuse (or are not able) to think about the product target market, how the product suits the target market, why the designers made decisions for that target market - and then think of the product as one tactical placement within an over all brand strategy. Why must every new peroduct be the hosanna from on high total solution for 100,000,000 users' needs? Why is it that every single product Pentax Ricoh introduces shows how stupid they are and what they could have done instead to be smart and cool and hip and sell more (if they had just done what I want?) just like Sony or Oly or Fuji. Go to the Sony or Oly or Fuji Forum. I don't want a NEX anything. I don't want the "cigarettes and a beer can" truth of compact cameras and I don't need to act cool and have one just to impress my other hipster friends. This is a Ricoh pocket street camera for Ricoh pocket street camera users. It carries on a 30 year tradition. Nikon Coolpix A copied Ricoh. Ricoh fired back and demolished Nikon. It wasn't the other way around. Get some knowledge and perspective and make some accurate critical conmments - if you are able. </rant> Can I get an amen?

04-17-2013, 08:34 AM - 1 Like	#36
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Clavius LOL, If Pentax wants to get rid of their excess stock of this Sony sensor, they should issue a double K-mount HD 3D camcorder. That'll give LBA a new dimension. (Get it?) So if you mount two FA31s on that camcorder, with their famous 3d rendering - does that give you 9 dimensional pictures?

04-17-2013, 08:41 AM	#37
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by Clavius Why wouldn't someone grab a (for example) NEX5N instead? The Sony is tiny, but not in a functioning assemblage. At least you need a lens, here we go: Compact Camera Meter Just an example, I would assume the border between pocketable and not lies directly between that. And with the GR you get a sharp image border to border, unlike with the Sony pancake. Last edited by MMVIII; 04-17-2013 at 08:48 AM. Reason: added quote

04-17-2013, 08:43 AM	#38
Eyewanders Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Land of the Salish Sea Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,343	Originally posted by gazonk So if you mount two FA31s on that camcorder, with their famous 3d rendering - does that give you 9 dimensional pictures? At which point time/space would rip open and the shooter would turn into a beam of light and envelop everthing around them.

04-17-2013, 08:45 AM	#39
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by MMVIII The Sony is tiny, but not in a functioning assemblage. At least you need a lens, here we go: Compact Camera Meter Just an example, I would assume the border between pocketable and not lies directly between that. And with the GR you get a sharp image border to border, unlike with the Sony pancake. The Sigma 19mm is no slouch though.

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JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	After seeing that there is a 10MP crop mode for a 24mm APSC/35mm FF equivalent frame, it's much much much more attractive to me. I'd just set it into that mode for all my shooting...

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johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by chickentender At which point time/space would rip open and the shooter would turn into a beam of light and envelop everthing around them. Someone likes the science fiction LOL.

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04-17-2013, 08:56 AM	#43
Eyewanders Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Land of the Salish Sea Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,343	Originally posted by JPT This report has some interesting pictures from the Japanese launch event, including custom models and more branded watches! http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20130417_596344.html I think that slide that graphs their line-up is interesting because it still includes the GXR system. Google translated Google Translate this should make ogl breahe easier..... Originally posted by johnmflores Someone likes the science fiction LOL. whaaaat? whatchu mean?

04-17-2013, 09:06 AM	#44
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by JPT This report has some interesting pictures from the Japanese launch event, including custom models and more branded watches! http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20130417_596344.html I think that slide that graphs their line-up is interesting because it still includes the GXR system. Google translated Google Translate Oh man - I want the Pentax K watch... [

04-17-2013, 09:09 AM	#45
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by JinDesu Oh man - I want the Pentax K watch... I want one of each, one for each wrist.