Originally posted by Kunzite I'm definitely
not making your point. Your point at that time, let me remind you, was that Q is having a fire sale - while it's selling for the same price as large sensor MILCs. That didn't made sense.
Now you're again singling out the sensor&camera size and price, as the factors influencing the sales. Flickr is somehow relevant and sales data from Japan are not, while Sony and Nikon has some sort of ace on their sleeve because of which Pentax is doomed. That doesn't make sense, either.
Your "facts" are extremely dubious, also:
Compare camera dimensions side by side You compared the new Nikon with the old Pentax. Try again:
Compare camera dimensions side by side Nikon 1 J3 is 1% (1 mm) narrower and 4% (2.5 mm) taller than Pentax Q10.
Nikon 1 J3 is 14% (4.7 mm) thinner than Pentax Q10.
Nikon 1 J3 [246 g] weights 23% (46 grams) more than Pentax Q10 [200 g] (*inc. batteries and memory card).
Nikon 1 J3 dimensions: 101x60.5x28.8 mm (camera body only, excluding protrusion)
Pentax Q10 dimensions: 102x58x33.5 mm (camera body only, excluding protrusion)
Please note the dramatic size difference of the sensors.
Pentax Q10 basic 1-lens kit is $500 from B&H
Nikon 1 J3 is $550
The J2 is $460
Right off the bat the Q is bracketed by superior sensors (and AF) at the same price point in a nearly identical form factor (body size).
The original Q's fore sale is the same price as some much more capable MILC':
Amazon.com: Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX1 16 MP Micro 4/3 Compact System Camera with 3-Inch LCD Touch Screen Body Only (Black): Camera & Photo
No lens but what? 6.5x the sensor size? No doubt about about a 15% larger camera (
Compare camera dimensions side by side) and lens, but on price/IQ ratio smokes the Q. Even on a fire sale the Q's value is hard to see.
Flickr is the world's single largest repository of photos and their database of cameras use is indicative of the overall market. It's how we see the iPhone ads telling us the iPhone is the world's #1 camera now. That comes from Flickr stats.
The Q is not even tracked in Flickr. It has a single, small pool of users. The Nikon 1 series has over 2 million photos already. I count under 10,000 for the Pentax Q system.Someone else double check because I was surprised at NOT being able to find more Q.
BCN sales data from Japan show Pentax dead last in MILC's, far, far behind all other brands. Sony's NEX, m43, CX (very new), and Fuji blow it away. 5.8% going to 2% I suspect because a big chunk of that 2012 data was prior to 1" sensor launches.
Sure, blame Hoya. The Q is positioned (look at the colours) as a purse camera where the lenses are like jewels and people can do fisheye and toy things without using a software interface a la the smartphone. A Hoya Executive decided this would be good for his teeny bopper and he saw a cheap, small sensor as the profit margin. He figured the competition thought like his teenage accessorizing daughter and they, too, would go cheap on the small sensor so they can continue golfing at $600/game. Within a year the competition all upped the sensor size dramatically for about the same price in only slightly larger packages, Nikon does colours too, and they both out-market and outsell the Q in bucketloads. Once they've mastered the first few runs, the CX sensor items will start to drop in price (that's how Sony Industrial works) and churn out sub-APS-C system and compact cams driving any sensor size smaller into phones or very cheap, dedicated digicams. The Q's margins will die because it probably costs almost as much to assemble and manufacture as a CX camera, same to distribute and market, and it has no extra gears to move the product. The Q does not compare well online or on store shelves. Any smaller in size (Q to Q10 got larger as it got cheaper) and it would be almost unusable. Every review praises the design but slams the sensor as the weak point, especially compared to the competition. It has almost no reviews on B&H compared to the competition (Nikon 1 series has about 200 total, the entire Q range has 4). I would cautiously estimate that the Pentax MILC market share in North America is well below 1%. Pentax has no presence at many big box stores, but the Nikon/m43/Canon MILC's all do.
The Q stands no chance. It was a costly, costly mistake. It's redeemable if they re-tool to a 1"+ sensor. We know this is possible in that form factor generally, and we know that Pentax engineering can get traditional styling and controls right, as the current Q does elegantly. Hoya/Pentax put the wrong engine in this camera but the overall concept is sound. Hopefully Ricoh can make it right.