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06-21-2013, 02:24 PM   #691
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Indeed. The rock formations are cool, the soft, rounded edges, and the colossal size. There is another place like that in Montana, East of Butte, along I-90 on the East side of Homestake pass. One of these days when I pass through there (I get through there 3 or 4 times a month, sometimes more), I need to take the time to get out and hike around there too.

Aw, geeze, we got off topic!

So has anyone found a "custom" color combination on the K50 that strikes their fancy?

This is, well, different:



Something for everyone I guess.
Oh, if you're giving them away, I'll take one. I'm man enough to not be embarassed by a pink camera

I kinda like K-01 Yellow these days.....

06-21-2013, 03:25 PM   #692
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If you wish to infer that I said so, go ahead.

The thing is, as I have made choices that have led me to where I am in this world, so have those who are in the inner city, in such dire straights. I didn't compel them to make those choices, nor do I possess the power to cause them to lift themselves from their lot.

They chose it, and they can chose to escape it.



Hypocritical?

If you insist.

Matter of fact. Absolutely.

What would you have me do? Take time from my life and become the savior of these people? A priest I am not. A social worker I will never be. I will also never be a philanthropist. Altruism has never been a passion for me either. I am a retired mechanic who now works driving a truck, moving commodities, mostly for the aerospace industry. I do so by my own choice, not by the choice of others.

And I do so because I like what I do. If I did not like it, I would make whatever changes needed to pursue what I wish.

Any one of those people could have a life like mine, or even better be a wealthy titan of industry, a celebrity or a politician.

But they chose their walk in this world, and it is neither my or your place to change that for them. Only they can make that change.

If they wish to.

It is by the same freedom of choice that I choose to not run right out and buy this new K50 that Pentax is releasing. I think I will choose to hold out for the next iteration of the higher end DSLR, the one that should replace the K5IIs.
Choice? No one chose where they were born. And if you are brought up in a culture that devalues education and hard work and, instead, values quick, easy money and getting all you can for the short term (instead of giving what you have) well you have little hope of getting out of there. So it isn't so easy of a solution for anyone; there are a lot of issues ongoing in the ghetto and only one of them is laziness.

I never stated YOU need to play General and clean up the ghettos of the world. The issue is obviously far larger than YOU. However, you can play a role in that aid if you really wanted to.

Actually, a main issue is there is the culture flight from rundown areas.. instead of improving areas most of us (naturally) would rather run from it. As a result, it ends up an endless cycle of setting up a community, running it to the ground, running from the community to setup a new one... wash, rinse, repeat. There becomes more ghettos over time due to the negative cycles in the ghettos as well as the negative cycles from the flight away from the ghettos. Over time it looks somewhat similar to a plague.

In any case, I just see it as an interesting point when someone specifically mentions the 'poor souls' acting as if they have compassion and then, in the same breath, states they choose to avoid them / really have no compassion.

Perhaps others wouldn't be so poor if we invested in them.. a thought at least.
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Choice? No one chose where they were born. And if you are brought up in a culture that devalues education and hard work and, instead, values quick, easy money and getting all you can for the short term (instead of giving what you have) well you have little hope of getting out of there. So it isn't so easy of a solution for anyone; there are a lot of issues ongoing in the ghetto and only one of them is laziness.

I never stated YOU need to play General and clean up the ghettos of the world. The issue is obviously far larger than YOU. However, you can play a role in that aid if you really wanted to.

Actually, a main issue is there is the culture flight from rundown areas.. instead of improving areas most of us (naturally) would rather run from it. As a result, it ends up an endless cycle of setting up a community, running it to the ground, running from the community to setup a new one... wash, rinse, repeat. There becomes more ghettos over time due to the negative cycles in the ghettos as well as the negative cycles from the flight away from the ghettos. Over time it looks somewhat similar to a plague.

In any case, I just see it as an interesting point when someone specifically mentions the 'poor souls' acting as if they have compassion and then, in the same breath, states they choose to avoid them / really have no compassion.

Perhaps others wouldn't be so poor if we invested in them.. a thought at least.
You make good and valid points.

And no, there are no easy answers or solutions. There never are. Anything worthwhile is never easy to achieve, and is never cheap.

Indeed it is a problem larger than I, it is symptomatic of our society as a whole. But know that many people in those situations either lack the initiative to make the change for themselves, or should someone reach out a helping hand refuse to take it.

Even with all the resources invested to correct the problems of the societal plague the cycle continues to repeat itself, over and over again. This has prevailed since the beginning of man, and likely will continue until we exterminate ourselves and use up our planet. Modern society has spent billions to help the poor, yet their numbers are growing.

We are doing something wrong. What we are doing is not working.

And I don't have an answer or solution.

Sure, the compassionate and caring side of me wants to help, but the other side of me (I'm not sure what to call it, but it bears no malice or hatred toward these people) does not.

I was born poor, and thanks to the fact that in America we do not have a caste society I was able to do well for myself. Even though I did not finish high school (I dropped out twice, once in the 9th grade, again in the 10th), I passed the GED tests at 15 with scores in the 90's, went to college and got an engineering degree. After working a short time in civil engineering I found myself unemployed, and wound up at a large public utility, and shortly after that took an apprenticeship to become a journeyman mechanic.

I worked hard from a very young age, and made a great life for myself.

But I could have done better.

And no one took pity on me, or reached out a hand to pull me from the poverty that I was born into.

I chose to take the path in life that has led me to where I am today.

And of course as one reads through threads like this one, keeping in mind those in the darker parts of our society, they may wonder why we choose to spend so much time and energy discussing the latest release from Pentax, and why large corporations like that do not use some of their resources to help.

Why not?
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Yes we are definitely on track to run the whole thing in the ground. Our culture has become too comfortable I think. It doesn't take a whole lot to survive if that is your only goal in life (with respect to food, water, and some form of shelter). Now the view is on quick comfort and whole chunks of the community (by large) don't seem to be getting or desiring the education (both for job and to simply communicate and function) to meld with the other part that is..

There is also a bit of mental illness in these communities.. which is a reason a segment of the population living in these areas are in these areas.. some just don't have the capacity to hold a job or manage money properly.. mentally impossible. And then the drug use (I guess that is escapism for some) tears people/families apart.. The issues are so dynamic and interwoven..

I think, and not to make this political at all, a lot of people tend to look to their elected officials to fix the problems. But we really need more community involvement in teaching skills and parenting.. as well as educating young men and women about the world beyond their known world and what it takes to get out.. then showing them they can have it if they really want that kind of life. But that would require a lot of resources both financial and people.. which is why I'm not sure it will ever turn around completely. But it doesn't help to try no?

However, slightly more on track -- You do bring up a really interesting question... Why isn't Canon, Nikon, Sony, or Pentax doing more in schools and educational atmospheres to get more younger people into photography? Or are they?

Not just, but including, inner city as well as rural areas? You can do a lot these days with a fairly modern P+S and some cheap/free software (Photoshop Elements/GIMP/Raw Therapee/etc) to get started.. and the further we progress with technology in the digital SLR market, the more older DSLRs become more viable for anyone who wants to get started.

Something similar to a Pentax K-x or Canon Xsi are around 250 dollars these days with a kit lens.. not dirt cheap for someone living in a low income area but certainly viable with a bit of work (if you can buy Nike shoes, a smartphone, or big wheels for your car..)

Actually a Canon P+S and CHDK gives you raw mode among other features..

hmm What about it, Adam? Maybe that should be a question for Pentax at some point in time... What are they doing to invest in communities and is there any plan to introduce any sort of camps or educational seminars for school aged people especially in lower income areas?

I'm guessing most people wouldn't understand or appreciate it.. but maybe it would be a way for a few to find a healthy outlet that they otherwise wouldn't have?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Racer X 69 Quote
I was born poor, and thanks to the fact that in America we do not have a caste society I was able to do well for myself. Even though I did not finish high school (I dropped out twice, once in the 9th grade, again in the 10th), I passed the GED tests at 15 with scores in the 90's, went to college and got an engineering degree. After working a short time in civil engineering I found myself unemployed, and wound up at a large public utility, and shortly after that took an apprenticeship to become a journeyman mechanic.
Those days are sadly over, AFAIK. Social mobility is quite poor in the US, amongst developed nations the US is doing pretty poor these days. Best are the socialist states of Scandinavia, where yes, from rags to riches is not just a nice slogan.

Of course it is not impossible, mostly if you were born poor, you'll stay that way, if you were born rich, you'll stay rich. You'll get better education, better opportunities, an environment that promotes and supports success etc.

I do think it is, in parts, the job of the government to make good education and opportunities available to everyone. That happens in Scandinavian countries, especially Finland, and it works. No private schools, trying to keep the level of schools equally high, while making sure that no one is left behind and teachers are able to adapt to the needs of everyone. So well educated teachers that are well respected in the population (highly talented people don't go into the private sector but into education) can do their job with classrooms that aren't too big. Is it expensive? Yes. But the US spends a ton on education, and the returns are... well, not so stellar. There may not be much respect for teachers or school in certain regions. How to change that... good question, but it needs to be changed.

To be honest, I wonder why kids need to take up on photography. It can help with creativity, but other than that, while photographers are important, we don't need an entire generation of photographers. We are already getting that anyway, everyone has a camera. In their phone. You don't need a DSLR to learn about composition etc. Some of those who start with a cameraphone will start to get an interest in photography and eventually upgrade to a DSLR.

Making some poor kids buy your DSLRs seems a bit cynical, when they should be spending that money on food and education...
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I do think it is, in parts, the job of the government to make good education and opportunities available to everyone. That happens in Scandinavian countries, especially Finland, and it works. No private schools, trying to keep the level of schools equally high, while making sure that no one is left behind and teachers are able to adapt to the needs of everyone.
Scandinavia have had socialistic governments for the majority of modern times, but you can't really make that generalization today. It's different between the countries and changes often now.

Private schools are common in Sweden, not sure about the other countries here. Also I believe the differences between poor and rich have grown. In other words, there might be better examples.
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Here in the UK, private schools are actually called "Public Schools" - don't ask me why!
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Here in the UK, private schools are actually called "Public Schools" - don't ask me why!
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But the US spends a ton on education, and the returns are... well, not so stellar.
A tragedy, to be sure. A crime even.

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There may not be much respect for teachers or school in certain regions. How to change that... good question, but it needs to be changed.
Yes, it does. The change is long overdue.

It has been 40 years since I attended public school, and it has not changed, in fact it has become worse. The public schools in the US are nothing more than babysitters. Far too many young adults exit high school and cannot read or write, and do not possess sufficient math skills to manage a checking account.

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To be honest, I wonder why kids need to take up on photography. It can help with creativity, but other than that, while photographers are important, we don't need an entire generation of photographers.
It would be better than a whole generation of lawyers and politicians.

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However, slightly more on track -- You do bring up a really interesting question... Why isn't Canon, Nikon, Sony, or Pentax doing more in schools and educational atmospheres to get more younger people into photography? Or are they?

Not just, but including, inner city as well as rural areas?

Maybe that should be a question for Pentax at some point in time... What are they doing to invest in communities and is there any plan to introduce any sort of camps or educational seminars for school aged people especially in lower income areas?
I agree that large corporations, not just the camera manufacturers, absolutely must take a more proactive approach to education and community. It is in their best interests to do so, after all the children are not just our future, they are the future employees and executives of these companies.

To invest in their education is to invest in these companies, and our economy as a whole.
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A tragedy, to be sure. A crime even.



Yes, it does. The change is long overdue.

It has been 40 years since I attended public school, and it has not changed, in fact it has become worse. The public schools in the US are nothing more than babysitters. Far too many young adults exit high school and cannot read or write, and do not possess sufficient math skills to manage a checking account.



It would be better than a whole generation of lawyers and politicians.



I agree that large corporations, not just the camera manufacturers, absolutely must take a more proactive approach to education and community. It is in their best interests to do so, after all the children are not just our future, they are the future employees and executives of these companies.

To invest in their education is to invest in these companies, and our economy as a whole.
US public schools are, for the most part, locally run and administered.. There are many school districts providing an outstanding education. Sadly, there are more that aren't.
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Back on subject...

I think it is a good start to get a coherent lineup that's easy for people to identify. I'm OK with it. Pentax in the US now needs to fix the lack of advertising and presence in stores - get these things out where consumers can see and handle them.

Colors are OK as well. Black is not good in some ways - like deserts in the middle of summer and baking the electronics - lighter colors would help a little. I'm actually going to think about this...

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The K-50/500's body design reminds me of the K-x/K-m... didn't the "radical' K-30 body design fare well enough to set a trend?
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Scandinavia have had socialistic governments for the majority of modern times, but you can't really make that generalization today. It's different between the countries and changes often now.

Private schools are common in Sweden, not sure about the other countries here. Also I believe the differences between poor and rich have grown. In other words, there might be better examples.
I was mostly riffing off the notion that Europe is socialist. Scandinavia IIRC is relatively socialist compared to other areas, though it varies from country to country and their governments. But certainly more socialist than the US. I mostly know about Finland, sorry if I missed to point that out.

The differences between poor and rich have grown pretty much everywhere, haven't they? But by trying to give everyone good education and a good environment to grow up in it is easier for the gifted and dedicated ones to be successful and rich, even when their parents weren't so fortunate.

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It would be better than a whole generation of lawyers and politicians.
It's hard to argue with that. Maybe it would be good if politicians may never have had a well earning job, nor may they ever strive after one. Their wealth must be donated for a good cause when they take up a job as politician. Basically make sure only those can get the job who are not just interested in themselves. The US congress with its almost Mafia-like bullying of companies ("Nice company you have there... it would be very, very unfortunate if something happened to it, wouldn't it?") in order to fill up their own pockets is a prime example of how wrong it can go.

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I agree that large corporations, not just the camera manufacturers, absolutely must take a more proactive approach to education and community. It is in their best interests to do so, after all the children are not just our future, they are the future employees and executives of these companies.

To invest in their education is to invest in these companies, and our economy as a whole.
Well, yes, it would be, but the problem is that those sort of long term investments are not as tempting as outsourcing to some poor country where wages are lower and health and safety regulations are non existent. Now admittedly the US is on the best track to be one of those countries, so jobs will go back to the US. There was this story about IKEA setting up a factory in the US, and the people in that area being very excited cause IKEA pays well and treats their employees nicely. Well, yes, elsewhere they may do so. Not in the US though.

To me the main problem around the world has become greed. Greedy politicians. Greedy CEOs. Greedy Wall Street. Switzerland has an interesting idea for that... limiting the amount the CEO is allowed to earn, it depends on how high the lowest wage in the company is. I'm curious if that will go through and go into effect.

Anyway, back to cameras:

A smurf Pentax!
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Nah, that's a Wedgwood Jasper Ware One!

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