Rumour: New Q with larger sensor

JPT · 06-09-2013, 08:09 AM

This brief rumour has just come up on digicams-info.com. A source has mentioned there will be a new Pentax "Q7" with a 1/1.7 sensor.

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There is also some further information about the mount cap lens.

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Docrwm · 06-09-2013, 08:31 AM

Lens news is good on this: "This is the information from the person who has received to provide correct information several times so far. Details are unknown, previous, Pentax because we said, "lens of Q for the, have the image circle with a large margin slightly" and in an interview, the model equipped with a 1/1.7 inch sensor appeared It might not be funny even."

bobell69 · 06-09-2013, 10:46 AM

A larger sensor would certainly change the game respecting the Q that's for sure. I find the package as is pretty enticing, having a larger sensor would probably seal the deal and those who already have lenses for a new body would certainly be ahead of the game.

kenafein · 06-09-2013, 11:01 AM

I would like to see it with a 2/3" sensor, to compete with the upcoming Fuji system.

jimr-pdx · 06-09-2013, 11:06 AM

Does anyone have a precise idea what the current lenses' max image circle is? I'd hate to get excited only to find the lenses won't play nice without vignetting issues...

"large margin slightly" isn't reassuring in any language!

vonBaloney · 06-09-2013, 11:12 AM

If you enlarge the sensor, then it isn't a Q, the existing lenses (presumably) won't work, makes no sense. Pretty sure this rumor was already shot down a while back...

Na Horuk · 06-09-2013, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by vonBaloney

If you enlarge the sensor, then it isn't a Q, the existing lenses (presumably) won't work, makes no sense.

Well the rumour said that the existing Q lenses have an image circle that is slightly bigger than the current sensor, and a bigger sensor could fit.

MMVIII · 06-09-2013, 11:42 AM - **1 Like**

Looking at the Photozone vignetting test it seems at least this lens does not have the slightest problems in this regard and should also be capable to cover more.
Pentax-02 Standard Zoom 5-15mm f/2.8-4.5 (Pentax Q) - Review / Lens Test - Analysis
In comparison even a Nikon 1 standard zoom shows vignetting of above 1EV (at extremes).
This might be taken as an indicator, that a larger sensor might have been foreseen for future, also the lack of designation by mm and the naming as 01, 02 etc.
However, we will know when it's official, I would appreciate it.

ogl · 06-09-2013, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by MMVIII

Looking at the Photozone vignetting test it seems at least this lens does not have the slightest problems in this regard and should also be capable to cover more.
Pentax-02 Standard Zoom 5-15mm f/2.8-4.5 (Pentax Q) - Review / Lens Test - Analysis
In comparison even a Nikon 1 standard zoom shows vignetting of above 1EV (at extremes).
This might be taken as an indicator, that a larger sensor might have been foreseen for future, also the lack of designation by mm and the naming as 01, 02 etc.
However, we will know when it's official, I would appreciate it.

VERY LOW Vignetting means - lens will cover 1/1.7" easy.

ruggiex · 06-09-2013, 11:48 AM

sounds good esp if the lens news is true. not in a hurry to replace my Q but looking forward to future expansion

Fogel70 · 06-09-2013, 12:03 PM

Using a 1/1.7" make to small change for Q IMO, so I don't really see the point of it. The biggest difference with a 1/1.7" sensor is that lenses will have different FOV. So Pentax need to design new lenses for the bigger sensor anyway. At least a new normal zoom and normal prime is needed so they have kit lenses for a 1/1.7" sensor.

And marketing wise it will be very confusing.

MMVIII · 06-09-2013, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Fogel70

Using a 1/1.7" make to small change for Q IMO, so I don't really see the point of it. The biggest difference with a 1/1.7" sensor is that lenses will have different FOV. So Pentax need to design new lenses for the bigger sensor anyway. At least a new normal zoom and normal prime is needed so they have kit lenses for a 1/1.7" sensor.

And marketing wise it will be very confusing.

What would be wrong with a equivalent FOV of a 24-70mm for the Pentax-02 Standard zoom? I also would not mind a 39mm Standard prime 01.

**monochrome** · 06-09-2013, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by vonBaloney

If you enlarge the sensor, then it isn't a Q, the existing lenses (presumably) won't work, makes no sense. Pretty sure this rumor was already shot down a while back...

they'll work in crop mode (if they don't actually cover the larger sensor) just as a DX lens works on an FX sensor.

Fogel70 · 06-09-2013, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by MMVIII

What would be wrong with a equivalent FOV of a 24-70mm for the Pentax-02 Standard zoom? I also would not mind a 39mm Standard prime 01.

At least the kit zoom will work well. The difference between 1/2.3" and 1/1.7" is even smaller than I first thought.

**barondla** · 06-09-2013, 03:37 PM

I always thought it strange that the Q fisheye only covered approx 165 degrees. Most fisheyes do 180. Not sure I am excited about a bigger sensor, since the small sensor is good for extreme tele work. If the new sensor has enough megapixels to match our current 12mp when cropped to the same size it could be a win-win.
thanks
barondla

06-09-2013, 08:09 AM	#1
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06-09-2013, 08:31 AM	#2
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Lens news is good on this: "This is the information from the person who has received to provide correct information several times so far. Details are unknown, previous, Pentax because we said, "lens of Q for the, have the image circle with a large margin slightly" and in an interview, the model equipped with a 1/1.7 inch sensor appeared It might not be funny even."

06-09-2013, 10:46 AM	#3
bobell69 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Courtenay BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 498	A larger sensor would certainly change the game respecting the Q that's for sure. I find the package as is pretty enticing, having a larger sensor would probably seal the deal and those who already have lenses for a new body would certainly be ahead of the game.

06-09-2013, 11:01 AM	#4
kenafein Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southern California Photos: Albums Posts: 4,082	I would like to see it with a 2/3" sensor, to compete with the upcoming Fuji system.

06-09-2013, 11:06 AM	#5
jimr-pdx Pentaxian Join Date: May 2010 Location: now 1 hour north of PDX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,897	Does anyone have a precise idea what the current lenses' max image circle is? I'd hate to get excited only to find the lenses won't play nice without vignetting issues... "large margin slightly" isn't reassuring in any language!

06-09-2013, 11:12 AM	#6
vonBaloney Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 6,029	If you enlarge the sensor, then it isn't a Q, the existing lenses (presumably) won't work, makes no sense. Pretty sure this rumor was already shot down a while back...

06-09-2013, 11:38 AM	#7
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Originally posted by vonBaloney If you enlarge the sensor, then it isn't a Q, the existing lenses (presumably) won't work, makes no sense. Well the rumour said that the existing Q lenses have an image circle that is slightly bigger than the current sensor, and a bigger sensor could fit.

06-09-2013, 11:42 AM - 1 Like	#8
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Looking at the Photozone vignetting test it seems at least this lens does not have the slightest problems in this regard and should also be capable to cover more. Pentax-02 Standard Zoom 5-15mm f/2.8-4.5 (Pentax Q) - Review / Lens Test - Analysis In comparison even a Nikon 1 standard zoom shows vignetting of above 1EV (at extremes). This might be taken as an indicator, that a larger sensor might have been foreseen for future, also the lack of designation by mm and the naming as 01, 02 etc. However, we will know when it's official, I would appreciate it.

06-09-2013, 11:45 AM	#9
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by MMVIII Looking at the Photozone vignetting test it seems at least this lens does not have the slightest problems in this regard and should also be capable to cover more. Pentax-02 Standard Zoom 5-15mm f/2.8-4.5 (Pentax Q) - Review / Lens Test - Analysis In comparison even a Nikon 1 standard zoom shows vignetting of above 1EV (at extremes). This might be taken as an indicator, that a larger sensor might have been foreseen for future, also the lack of designation by mm and the naming as 01, 02 etc. However, we will know when it's official, I would appreciate it. VERY LOW Vignetting means - lens will cover 1/1.7" easy.

06-09-2013, 11:48 AM	#10
ruggiex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: East Bay Area Photos: Gallery Posts: 811	sounds good esp if the lens news is true. not in a hurry to replace my Q but looking forward to future expansion

06-09-2013, 12:03 PM	#11
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Using a 1/1.7" make to small change for Q IMO, so I don't really see the point of it. The biggest difference with a 1/1.7" sensor is that lenses will have different FOV. So Pentax need to design new lenses for the bigger sensor anyway. At least a new normal zoom and normal prime is needed so they have kit lenses for a 1/1.7" sensor. And marketing wise it will be very confusing.

06-09-2013, 12:19 PM	#12
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by Fogel70 Using a 1/1.7" make to small change for Q IMO, so I don't really see the point of it. The biggest difference with a 1/1.7" sensor is that lenses will have different FOV. So Pentax need to design new lenses for the bigger sensor anyway. At least a new normal zoom and normal prime is needed so they have kit lenses for a 1/1.7" sensor. And marketing wise it will be very confusing. What would be wrong with a equivalent FOV of a 24-70mm for the Pentax-02 Standard zoom? I also would not mind a 39mm Standard prime 01.

06-09-2013, 12:39 PM	#13
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by vonBaloney If you enlarge the sensor, then it isn't a Q, the existing lenses (presumably) won't work, makes no sense. Pretty sure this rumor was already shot down a while back... they'll work in crop mode (if they don't actually cover the larger sensor) just as a DX lens works on an FX sensor.

06-09-2013, 12:42 PM	#14
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by MMVIII What would be wrong with a equivalent FOV of a 24-70mm for the Pentax-02 Standard zoom? I also would not mind a 39mm Standard prime 01. At least the kit zoom will work well. The difference between 1/2.3" and 1/1.7" is even smaller than I first thought.

06-09-2013, 03:37 PM	#15
barondla Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: midwest, United States Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,714	I always thought it strange that the Q fisheye only covered approx 165 degrees. Most fisheyes do 180. Not sure I am excited about a bigger sensor, since the small sensor is good for extreme tele work. If the new sensor has enough megapixels to match our current 12mp when cropped to the same size it could be a win-win. thanks barondla