Pentax K-500, K-50, and Q7 cameras officially announced!

**boriscleto** · 06-13-2013, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by Into The Lens

Do I win something? What do I win? Please tell me!!

By invoking Godwin you lose.

causey · 06-13-2013, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by Docrwm

I did not say they did not have one for review, merely that they could be (and many initial quickie reviews are) wrong about specific facts. As for who isn't calm, these discussions tend to spin out of control on the flimsiest information.

Third hands-on preview noting the same thing:
Daily Zone: Hands-on review: Pentax K-500

Quote:

We assume that the decision to make the active AF point invisible in the viewfinder of the Pentax K-500 was made to reduce costs, but we think it's a bad choice. If you leave the camera to choose the AF point automatically then it's not such a major issue, but as you learn and want to take more control over the camera you will find it frustrating that you have to look at the screen on the back of the camera to check which is the active AF point. You also need to guess where that point appears in the viewfinder when focusing on the subject.

Docrwm · 06-13-2013, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by causey

Third hands-on preview noting the same thing:
Daily Zone: Hands-on review: Pentax K-500

Again, they say the following:
"Both cameras are supplied with a rechargeable lithium ion battery, but they are also compatible with Pentax's AA-sized battery insert, which may be of use to travelling photographers who don't have the opportunity to recharge the battery on a regular basis."

But Pentax says they aren't. Errors in rushed quickie reviews. Does the 500 have viewable AF points in the viewfinder? No idea. Do I trust these reviews because there is more than one that says so, no because they make other errors we have Pentax telling us differently about specifically.

Why is hearing my message of "Wait and See" so hard? As I've said before, we've had lots of simple errors in quickie reviews of gear in the past couple years that tell us that this happens frequently in the rush to get reviews out. Sometimes the same errors are reified over and over again based on an initial misstatement. Occasionally the reviewers tell us stuff that is right that Pentax did not - hence, the wait and see message I have been saying for the past few posts. Geesh.

Kunzite · 06-13-2013, 08:18 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by nah

I'm with Docrmw, these are just entry level DSLRs that we've seen before, no game changers. People have to stop drinking the Pentax Kool-Aid and see what other companies are doing and what Pentax is not. I picked up a Sony RX100 before my trip to Europe 3 weeks back and is it ever an awesome camera.

And who said those cameras are, or were supposed to be game changers?
Pentax had their own share of "game changers", for example the K10D and the 645D (more in the past). But, with a mature market, I'd say it's a rare occurrence, and "game changers" that would actually help them are even rarer... expecting it is a certain way to be disappointed.

Originally posted by VisualDarkness

Fotosidan, I think it's the biggest photo magazine in Sweden, sounds interested too and mentions that:

Quote:

Pentax says that they have been able to deliver two models thanks to the extra resources that the new owner Ricoh has provided. The goal now is to become the main brand for outdoor open air shooters.

So Ricoh is not only making declarations (Hoya said something similar), but they're also acting to make them happen. Encouraging, but not really a surprise.
Thanks for posting.

causey · 06-13-2013, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by Docrwm

Why is hearing my message of "Wait and See" so hard?.

Not hard--especially since wait and see is what we can do, anyway. I'm going to buy one of these two cameras, so, naturally, I am curious about focusing points. When three hands-on preview agree on a certain aspect, I tend to believe them. Does this mean the discussion has just spinned out of control? What does "out of control" even mean? What's the risk? Anybody is free to believe one thing or the other. Besides, belief is not certainty. I don't bet anything on the truth of this belief. Just trying to get info about something that I'm interested in and sharing the info I've found about it. Hope I didn't offend anyone by posting the links.

**THoog** · 06-13-2013, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Docrwm

Wait and See

+1

It's interesting that the reviews that say the K-500 lacks AF points in the viewfinder make no mention of the digital level, and vice-versa. Something may have been lost in translation somewhere.

However, it is a time-honored Pentaxian tradition to greet every new model with our motto: "Pentax is Doooooooooomed"!

davidsladek · 06-13-2013, 08:34 AM

I wish this set was available outside Japan

**jatrax** · 06-13-2013, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

And who said those cameras are, or were supposed to be game changers?

+1 Profit is not made by 'game changers' it is made by providing solid, reliable products that are easy to sell and easy to buy. 'Game Changers' are risky, for every one that wins there are dozens that are miserable failures. Yes, you need to push the envelope by throwing out a 'game changer' every once in a while but you can only do that if you have a revenue stream from the boring, mundane cash cows that 80% of consumers will buy. Those who actually buy new cutting edge products are a minority. They may be influential, but they are not cash cows.

k-500 and k-50 are designed to be cash cows, gain market share, gain presence in retailers both online and brick and mortar. Just building a foundation for the future. Good solid business.

VisualDarkness · 06-13-2013, 08:38 AM

Note that like Cyberphoto.se said, things like 100% viewfinder and 6 shots/s in a low price DSLR is pretty special.

timcatn · 06-13-2013, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by VisualDarkness

Note that like Cyberphoto.se said, things like 100% viewfinder and 6 shots/s in a low price DSLR is pretty special.

Not to mention dual dials.

**jatrax** · 06-13-2013, 08:42 AM

Quote:

I wish this set was available outside Japan

+1 I would be sorely tempted. That is a remarkable feat of marketing for a company that doesn't have a marketing department..........hmmm.

**Rondec** · 06-13-2013, 08:44 AM

It would be unfortunate if Pentax left auto focus points out to save a few dollars. At the same time, I do believe that the kx was about the best selling camera from Pentax in recent years. Anyone who really is interested in more than just green mode/auto modes will tend to gravitate to the K50 versus the K500.

VisualDarkness · 06-13-2013, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by timcatn

Not to mention dual dials.

So true, so true.

Originally posted by davidsladek

I wish this set was available outside Japan

I'm drooooooooling.

timcatn · 06-13-2013, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by VisualDarkness

So true, so true.

I'm drooooooooling.

Is the price for that kit known?

ogl · 06-13-2013, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

If the K-500 does NOT have VF focus point indicators that is a very, very stupid move by Pentax.
.

It's full idiocy. Not to make such cheap thing in camera of 2013 year is absurd.

06-13-2013, 08:28 AM	#170
causey Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington, VA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,757	Originally posted by Docrwm Why is hearing my message of "Wait and See" so hard?. Not hard--especially since wait and see is what we can do, anyway. I'm going to buy one of these two cameras, so, naturally, I am curious about focusing points. When three hands-on preview agree on a certain aspect, I tend to believe them. Does this mean the discussion has just spinned out of control? What does "out of control" even mean? What's the risk? Anybody is free to believe one thing or the other. Besides, belief is not certainty. I don't bet anything on the truth of this belief. Just trying to get info about something that I'm interested in and sharing the info I've found about it. Hope I didn't offend anyone by posting the links. Last edited by causey; 06-13-2013 at 08:34 AM.

06-13-2013, 08:34 AM	#172
davidsladek Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Surrey Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 346	This is jut beautiful ... I wish this set was available outside Japan

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06-13-2013, 07:56 AM	#166
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by Into The Lens Do I win something? What do I win? Please tell me!! By invoking Godwin you lose.

06-13-2013, 08:01 AM	#167
causey Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington, VA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,757	Originally posted by Docrwm I did not say they did not have one for review, merely that they could be (and many initial quickie reviews are) wrong about specific facts. As for who isn't calm, these discussions tend to spin out of control on the flimsiest information. Third hands-on preview noting the same thing: Daily Zone: Hands-on review: Pentax K-500 Quote: We assume that the decision to make the active AF point invisible in the viewfinder of the Pentax K-500 was made to reduce costs, but we think it's a bad choice. If you leave the camera to choose the AF point automatically then it's not such a major issue, but as you learn and want to take more control over the camera you will find it frustrating that you have to look at the screen on the back of the camera to check which is the active AF point. You also need to guess where that point appears in the viewfinder when focusing on the subject.

06-13-2013, 08:16 AM	#168
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by causey Third hands-on preview noting the same thing: Daily Zone: Hands-on review: Pentax K-500 Again, they say the following: "*Both cameras are supplied with a rechargeable lithium ion battery,* but they are also compatible with Pentax's AA-sized battery insert, which may be of use to travelling photographers who don't have the opportunity to recharge the battery on a regular basis." But Pentax says they aren't. Errors in rushed quickie reviews. Does the 500 have viewable AF points in the viewfinder? No idea. Do I trust these reviews because there is more than one that says so, no because they make other errors we have Pentax telling us differently about specifically. Why is hearing my message of "Wait and See" so hard? As I've said before, we've had lots of simple errors in quickie reviews of gear in the past couple years that tell us that this happens frequently in the rush to get reviews out. Sometimes the same errors are reified over and over again based on an initial misstatement. Occasionally the reviewers tell us stuff that is right that Pentax did not - hence, the wait and see message I have been saying for the past few posts. Geesh.

06-13-2013, 08:18 AM - 1 Like	#169
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by nah I'm with Docrmw, these are just entry level DSLRs that we've seen before, no game changers. People have to stop drinking the Pentax Kool-Aid and see what other companies are doing and what Pentax is not. I picked up a Sony RX100 before my trip to Europe 3 weeks back and is it ever an awesome camera. And who said those cameras are, or were supposed to be game changers? Pentax had their own share of "game changers", for example the K10D and the 645D (more in the past). But, with a mature market, I'd say it's a rare occurrence, and "game changers" that would actually help them are even rarer... expecting it is a certain way to be disappointed. Originally posted by VisualDarkness Fotosidan, I think it's the biggest photo magazine in Sweden, sounds interested too and mentions that: Quote: Pentax says that they have been able to deliver two models thanks to the extra resources that the new owner Ricoh has provided. The goal now is to become the main brand for outdoor open air shooters. So Ricoh is not only making declarations (Hoya said something similar), but they're also acting to make them happen. Encouraging, but not really a surprise. Thanks for posting.

06-13-2013, 08:31 AM	#171
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by Docrwm Wait and See +1 It's interesting that the reviews that say the K-500 lacks AF points in the viewfinder make no mention of the digital level, and vice-versa. Something may have been lost in translation somewhere. However, it is a time-honored Pentaxian tradition to greet every new model with our motto: "Pentax is Doooooooooomed"!

06-13-2013, 08:35 AM	#173
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by Kunzite And who said those cameras are, or were supposed to be game changers? +1 Profit is not made by 'game changers' it is made by providing solid, reliable products that are easy to sell and easy to buy. 'Game Changers' are risky, for every one that wins there are dozens that are miserable failures. Yes, you need to push the envelope by throwing out a 'game changer' every once in a while but you can only do that if you have a revenue stream from the boring, mundane cash cows that 80% of consumers will buy. Those who actually buy new cutting edge products are a minority. They may be influential, but they are not cash cows. k-500 and k-50 are designed to be cash cows, gain market share, gain presence in retailers both online and brick and mortar. Just building a foundation for the future. Good solid business.

06-13-2013, 08:38 AM	#174
VisualDarkness Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,439	Note that like Cyberphoto.se said, things like 100% viewfinder and 6 shots/s in a low price DSLR is pretty special.

06-13-2013, 08:41 AM	#175
timcatn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Trondheim Posts: 237	Originally posted by VisualDarkness Note that like Cyberphoto.se said, things like 100% viewfinder and 6 shots/s in a low price DSLR is pretty special. Not to mention dual dials.

06-13-2013, 08:42 AM	#176
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Quote: I wish this set was available outside Japan +1 I would be sorely tempted. That is a remarkable feat of marketing for a company that doesn't have a marketing department..........hmmm.

06-13-2013, 08:44 AM	#177
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	It would be unfortunate if Pentax left auto focus points out to save a few dollars. At the same time, I do believe that the kx was about the best selling camera from Pentax in recent years. Anyone who really is interested in more than just green mode/auto modes will tend to gravitate to the K50 versus the K500.

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06-13-2013, 08:45 AM	#178
VisualDarkness Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,439	Originally posted by timcatn Not to mention dual dials. So true, so true. Originally posted by davidsladek I wish this set was available outside Japan I'm drooooooooling.

06-13-2013, 08:55 AM	#179
timcatn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Trondheim Posts: 237	Originally posted by VisualDarkness So true, so true. I'm drooooooooling. Is the price for that kit known?

06-13-2013, 08:58 AM	#180
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Aristophanes If the K-500 does NOT have VF focus point indicators that is a very, very stupid move by Pentax. . It's full idiocy. Not to make such cheap thing in camera of 2013 year is absurd.