Pentax K-500, K-50, and Q7 cameras officially announced!

**monochrome** · 06-19-2013, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by cali92rs

Sure isn't priced like that (speaks from experience)

In St. Louis people are actually begging IKEA to come here. They're offering tax breaks (TIF) and additional incentives and sweet deals on prime real estate and STILL IKEA is holding out for a better deal - AND POLITICIANS ARE STILL TALKING TO THEM!

I don't understand.

But they make a sweet cardboard digital camera

VisualDarkness · 06-19-2013, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

In St. Louis people are actually begging IKEA to come here. They're offering tax breaks (TIF) and additional incentives and sweet deals on prime real estate and STILL IKEA is holding out for a better deal - AND POLITICIANS ARE STILL TALKING TO THEM!

I don't understand.

But they make a sweet cardboard digital camera

Ingvar Kamprad will rule the world one day and you all will eat our Swedish meatballs!

**monochrome** · 06-19-2013, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by VisualDarkness

Ingvar Kamprad will rule the world one day and you all will eat our Swedish meatballs!

I've eaten Swedish Meaballs forever. It is a cocktail party hors d'ourves staple here. And vichyssoise with leeks and pepper.

But I buy North Carolina furniture.

mee · 06-19-2013, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by JPT

At first I was surprised to see these cameras were updated so soon. I did a little experiment, illustrated with my high-tech graphics below. A hyphen is a month, K or Q is the release of a camera and E is the March 11, 2011 earthquake. Of course the Thai floods also affected a of camera manufacturers and they happened just after the earthquake.

K-50 - June 12, 2013
K-30 - May 21, 2012
K-R - Sep 9, 2010
K-X - Sep 17, 2009
K-M - Sep 22, 2008

K-----------K-----------K-----E-------------K------------K

Q7 - Jun 12, 2013
Q10 - Sep 10, 2012
Q - Jun 23, 2011

Q-----E--------Q--------Q

So my conclusion is that both the K-30 and Q10 were delayed by the earthquake and that is why the K-50 and Q7 seem to be ahead of schedule. The interesting thing is that when you apply the same analysis to the higher end K-mount bodies, they are on a longer schedule, but the same pattern can be observed. I think this bodes well for anyone hoping for a K-5 II successor soon.

K10D - Sep 13, 2006
K20D - Jan 23, 2008
K-7 - May 20, 2009
K-5 - Sep 20, 2010
K-5 II - Sep 10, 2012

K---------------K---------------K---------------K-----E-----------------K---------

Does this make sense?

What would explain the K-30 and the K-50 being essentially the same camera in a different body?

**Aristophanes** · 06-19-2013, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by VisualDarkness

Ingvar Kamprad will rule the world one day and you all will eat our Swedish meatballs!

Are these the horse meat ones?

Paul Ewins · 06-19-2013, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by mee

What would explain the K-30 and the K-50 being essentially the same camera in a different body?

The K-500. It may not have been practical to produce an unsealed variant of the K-30 (i.e. a K-300) so they designed a new body that could do be used for both. Or maybe it was just the car manufacturers strategy of doing minor refreshes to keep a product in the public's eye. I would think they got much more attention by releasing the K-5-/K-500 in a new body with the same internals than if they had released a K-300 that was just a K-30 with fewer (or less capable) seals.

mee · 06-19-2013, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Paul Ewins

The K-500. It may not have been practical to produce an unsealed variant of the K-30 (i.e. a K-300) so they designed a new body that could do be used for both. Or maybe it was just the car manufacturers strategy of doing minor refreshes to keep a product in the public's eye. I would think they got much more attention by releasing the K-5-/K-500 in a new body with the same internals than if they had released a K-300 that was just a K-30 with fewer (or less capable) seals.

There is an interesting thought.

Still thinking they could have added a few 'smaller' features to the K-50 to really distinguish itself from the K-30... maybe a microphone input, +1fps burst, something..

Metz still doesn't have support for several of their flashes for the K-30

This is REALLY going to mess with their scheduling..
...or not.. maybe they really aren't planning on releasing the firmware upgrades to support K-30. If they do support K-50 instead, I will be frowny.

thibs · 06-19-2013, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by mee

Metz still doesn't have support for several of their flashes for the K-30

This is REALLY going to mess with their scheduling..
...or not.. maybe they really aren't planning on releasing the firmware upgrades to support K-30. If they do support K-50 instead, I will be frowny.

Are there compatibility problems with K30 and Metz flashes ?

ranchy · 06-19-2013, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by mee

There is an interesting thought.

Still thinking they could have added a few 'smaller' features to the K-50 to really distinguish itself from the K-30... maybe a microphone input, +1fps burst, something..

Metz still doesn't have support for several of their flashes for the K-30

This is REALLY going to mess with their scheduling..
...or not.. maybe they really aren't planning on releasing the firmware upgrades to support K-30. If they do support K-50 instead, I will be frowny.

I thought Metz just release some firmware updates to Metz flashes for K30 and K5II? The discussion is here

JPT · 06-20-2013, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by mee

What would explain the K-30 and the K-50 being essentially the same camera in a different body?

You could say the same about the K-X/K-R,the Q/Q10, to some extent the K20D/K-7 and any number of "updated" models from other camera companies too. I saw models of all the K-50 body colours today. They look nicer than the K-30. The design is simpler, less fussy.

Actually, I was only trying to show that these cameras are coming out on a fairly consistent and rational schedule and we can expect a K-5 II replacement soon. I'd be worried if that one was just a rehash, but I think there will be some big changes inside. I think I just have more faith in Pentax than most people around here.

By the way, where did Bernanke and IKEA come from? I really can't follow some people's train of thought!

DaveInPA · 06-20-2013, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

In St. Louis people are actually begging IKEA to come here. They're offering tax breaks (TIF) and additional incentives and sweet deals on prime real estate and STILL IKEA is holding out for a better deal - AND POLITICIANS ARE STILL TALKING TO THEM!

I don't understand.

But they make a sweet cardboard digital camera

Doesn't look weather-sealed to me.

**Aristophanes** · 06-20-2013, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by DaveInPA

Doesn't look weather-sealed to me.

Get some packing tape. That'll seal it.

DaveInPA · 06-20-2013, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

Get some packing tape. That'll seal it.

No need! Turns out Amazon sells a water proof case for it: Amazon.com: Ziploc Sandwich Bags - 125-Count: Health & Personal Care

mee · 06-20-2013, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Are there compatibility problems with K30 and Metz flashes ?

oh yes.

Well.. actually.. I'm glad you asked. As I see now they FINALLY released a new firmware for the K-30 or K-5II two days ago.

thibs · 06-20-2013, 12:32 PM

you're welcome: that's surprising though, I thought Metz would be more reactive....

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06-19-2013, 05:22 PM	#331
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by cali92rs Sure isn't priced like that (speaks from experience) In St. Louis people are actually begging IKEA to come here. They're offering tax breaks (TIF) and additional incentives and sweet deals on prime real estate and STILL IKEA is holding out for a better deal - AND POLITICIANS ARE STILL TALKING TO THEM! I don't understand. But they make a sweet cardboard digital camera

06-19-2013, 05:26 PM	#332
VisualDarkness Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,439	Originally posted by monochrome In St. Louis people are actually begging IKEA to come here. They're offering tax breaks (TIF) and additional incentives and sweet deals on prime real estate and STILL IKEA is holding out for a better deal - AND POLITICIANS ARE STILL TALKING TO THEM! I don't understand. But they make a sweet cardboard digital camera Ingvar Kamprad will rule the world one day and you all will eat our Swedish meatballs!

06-19-2013, 06:33 PM	#333
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by VisualDarkness Ingvar Kamprad will rule the world one day and you all will eat our Swedish meatballs! I've eaten Swedish Meaballs forever. It is a cocktail party hors d'ourves staple here. And vichyssoise with leeks and pepper. But I buy North Carolina furniture.

06-19-2013, 06:49 PM	#334
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by JPT At first I was surprised to see these cameras were updated so soon. I did a little experiment, illustrated with my high-tech graphics below. A hyphen is a month, K or Q is the release of a camera and E is the March 11, 2011 earthquake. Of course the Thai floods also affected a of camera manufacturers and they happened just after the earthquake. K-50 - June 12, 2013 K-30 - May 21, 2012 K-R - Sep 9, 2010 K-X - Sep 17, 2009 K-M - Sep 22, 2008 K-----------K-----------K-----E-------------K------------K Q7 - Jun 12, 2013 Q10 - Sep 10, 2012 Q - Jun 23, 2011 Q-----E--------Q--------Q So my conclusion is that both the K-30 and Q10 were delayed by the earthquake and that is why the K-50 and Q7 seem to be ahead of schedule. The interesting thing is that when you apply the same analysis to the higher end K-mount bodies, they are on a longer schedule, but the same pattern can be observed. I think this bodes well for anyone hoping for a K-5 II successor soon. K10D - Sep 13, 2006 K20D - Jan 23, 2008 K-7 - May 20, 2009 K-5 - Sep 20, 2010 K-5 II - Sep 10, 2012 K---------------K---------------K---------------K-----E-----------------K--------- Does this make sense? What would explain the K-30 and the K-50 being essentially the same camera in a different body?

06-19-2013, 07:24 PM	#335
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by VisualDarkness Ingvar Kamprad will rule the world one day and you all will eat our Swedish meatballs! Are these the horse meat ones?

06-19-2013, 07:28 PM	#336
Paul Ewins Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 274	Originally posted by mee What would explain the K-30 and the K-50 being essentially the same camera in a different body? The K-500. It may not have been practical to produce an unsealed variant of the K-30 (i.e. a K-300) so they designed a new body that could do be used for both. Or maybe it was just the car manufacturers strategy of doing minor refreshes to keep a product in the public's eye. I would think they got much more attention by releasing the K-5-/K-500 in a new body with the same internals than if they had released a K-300 that was just a K-30 with fewer (or less capable) seals.

06-19-2013, 08:03 PM	#337
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Paul Ewins The K-500. It may not have been practical to produce an unsealed variant of the K-30 (i.e. a K-300) so they designed a new body that could do be used for both. Or maybe it was just the car manufacturers strategy of doing minor refreshes to keep a product in the public's eye. I would think they got much more attention by releasing the K-5-/K-500 in a new body with the same internals than if they had released a K-300 that was just a K-30 with fewer (or less capable) seals. There is an interesting thought. Still thinking they could have added a few 'smaller' features to the K-50 to really distinguish itself from the K-30... maybe a microphone input, +1fps burst, something.. Metz still doesn't have support for several of their flashes for the K-30 This is REALLY going to mess with their scheduling.. ...or not.. maybe they really aren't planning on releasing the firmware upgrades to support K-30. If they do support K-50 instead, I will be frowny.

06-19-2013, 09:14 PM	#338
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by mee Metz still doesn't have support for several of their flashes for the K-30 This is REALLY going to mess with their scheduling.. ...or not.. maybe they really aren't planning on releasing the firmware upgrades to support K-30. If they do support K-50 instead, I will be frowny. Are there compatibility problems with K30 and Metz flashes ?

06-19-2013, 10:43 PM	#339
ranchy Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 570	Originally posted by mee There is an interesting thought. Still thinking they could have added a few 'smaller' features to the K-50 to really distinguish itself from the K-30... maybe a microphone input, +1fps burst, something.. Metz still doesn't have support for several of their flashes for the K-30 This is REALLY going to mess with their scheduling.. ...or not.. maybe they really aren't planning on releasing the firmware upgrades to support K-30. If they do support K-50 instead, I will be frowny. I thought Metz just release some firmware updates to Metz flashes for K30 and K5II? The discussion is here

06-20-2013, 04:29 AM	#340
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Originally posted by mee What would explain the K-30 and the K-50 being essentially the same camera in a different body? You could say the same about the K-X/K-R,the Q/Q10, to some extent the K20D/K-7 and any number of "updated" models from other camera companies too. I saw models of all the K-50 body colours today. They look nicer than the K-30. The design is simpler, less fussy. Actually, I was only trying to show that these cameras are coming out on a fairly consistent and rational schedule and we can expect a K-5 II replacement soon. I'd be worried if that one was just a rehash, but I think there will be some big changes inside. I think I just have more faith in Pentax than most people around here. By the way, where did Bernanke and IKEA come from? I really can't follow some people's train of thought!

06-20-2013, 05:06 AM	#341
DaveInPA Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bucks County, PA Photos: Albums Posts: 499	Originally posted by monochrome In St. Louis people are actually begging IKEA to come here. They're offering tax breaks (TIF) and additional incentives and sweet deals on prime real estate and STILL IKEA is holding out for a better deal - AND POLITICIANS ARE STILL TALKING TO THEM! I don't understand. But they make a sweet cardboard digital camera Doesn't look weather-sealed to me.

06-20-2013, 06:37 AM	#342
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by DaveInPA Doesn't look weather-sealed to me. Get some packing tape. That'll seal it.

06-20-2013, 06:49 AM	#343
DaveInPA Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bucks County, PA Photos: Albums Posts: 499	Originally posted by Aristophanes Get some packing tape. That'll seal it. No need! Turns out Amazon sells a water proof case for it: Amazon.com: Ziploc Sandwich Bags - 125-Count: Health & Personal Care

06-20-2013, 08:45 AM	#344
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by thibs Are there compatibility problems with K30 and Metz flashes ? oh yes. Well.. actually.. I'm glad you asked. As I see now they FINALLY released a new firmware for the K-30 or K-5II two days ago.

06-20-2013, 12:32 PM	#345
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	you're welcome: that's surprising though, I thought Metz would be more reactive....