Paperware AF360FGZ II

**Pål Jensen** · 08-01-2013, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by gazonk

Also waiting for the new lenses on the road map... maybe they'll all be announced with the presumed K-3 camera in a couple of months from now?

Yes
How about a DA 12-28, DA Limited 22-48, DA* 16-85, HD DA 120-380.

For the 645: D-FA 28-45, D-FA 45-85, D-FA 90-200.

cfraz · 08-01-2013, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Yes
How about a DA 12-28, DA Limited 22-48, DA* 16-85, HD DA 120-380.

For the 645: D-FA 28-45, D-FA 45-85, D-FA 90-200.

Dreamer

**Pål Jensen** · 08-01-2013, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by cfraz

Dreamer

...all are on the roadmaps...

Clavius · 08-01-2013, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

...all are on the roadmaps...

They've been on the roadmap for ages now. Or do you have any way of utilising fantasy lenses?

gazonk · 08-01-2013, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

They've been on the roadmap for ages now. Or do you have any way of utilising fantasy lenses?

Not for "ages" and with a release date of 2013 or later.

cfraz · 08-01-2013, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

...all are on the roadmaps...

... and all being announced in a couple of months would be ... amazing.

**Pål Jensen** · 08-05-2013, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by cfraz

... and all being announced in a couple of months would be ... amazing.

Well, its no secret that Pentax have several high-end cameras in the pipeline for release pretty soon. All of theses lenses are candidates to be shown along with high-end camera(s). At least we can hope for some of them this year...

jake14mw · 08-21-2013, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by Uluru

Sorry to disappoint your gloom; new 360 flash is ready and coming next month together with TC.

It's well into next month. Are they still coming?

**Aristophanes** · 08-21-2013, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

HD DA 120-380

Pairs with the DA 18-135. This is the long FL zoom much needed in Pentaxland.

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

DA* 16-85

Might replace the DA*16-50 or simply stand alone to complement the DA*60-250.

Effectively replaces the 17-70 and if made an f/4 is a response to Canon's f/4 glass.

Note that we are seeing a 2-lens zoom kits with these configurations. I see a market strategy to reduce the consumer's total cost of ownership with such variety.

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

DA Limited 22-48

This one makes the least sense to me. I think the presence of the Sigma 18-35 killed this one.

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

DA 12-28

Obviously a replacement for the venerable 12-24, hopefully with WR.

We'll have to see.

Zygonyx · 08-21-2013, 11:25 AM

Or do we just hope to see ?

Clavius · 08-21-2013, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

Note that we are seeing a 2-lens zoom kits with these configurations. I see a market strategy to reduce the consumer's total cost of ownership with such variety.

We're not seeying anything at all. And only zooms on the roadmap. Whilst the real gaps are in the primes.

mecrox · 08-21-2013, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

We're not seeying anything at all. And only zooms on the roadmap. Whilst the real gaps are in the primes.

They cannot do everything at once and I'd guess that zooms are the easier sell, even in Pentaxland whose gloire lies in primes. There are a couple of gaps in the primes which would suit me if filled - around 28mm (i.e. 43mm FF) and around 120-135mm (i.e. 180-200mm FF) but that doesn't mean they will suit Pentax, alas. Actually, i wonder if Pentax have ever asked someone to do an analysis of Ebay and second-hand sales to see which are the most popular older lenses for which they do not have current equivalents. That might be an interesting exercise.

As for the new Pentax flash, my Metz is broken. That is a paperware item when I could really do with realware at the mo.

northcoastgreg · 08-21-2013, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

DA* 16-85: Might replace the DA*16-50 or simply stand alone to complement the DA*60-250. Effectively replaces the 17-70 and if made an f/4 is a response to Canon's f/4 glass.

This almost certainly will be an f4 lens. Definitely a response to Canon's (and Nikon's) top f4 glass, like the Canon 24-105 and the Nikkor 24-125. As a DA* lens, this could easily run over $1,000, so it won't be replacing the 17-70. Fills a huge gap for those looking for a high-end weather sealed standard zoom for landscapes.

Originally posted by Aristophanes

22-48 This one makes the least sense to me. I think the presence of the Sigma 18-35 killed this one.

Actually, it's probably more like 22 to 38. It will be the first "limited" zoom and as such could be quite as intriguing in its own right as is the larger but ultra fast Sigma 18-35. It will be slower, but much smaller, with possibly the IQ of the limited primes. Pentax seems to be offering this to fill the DA prime gap between 21 and 35 instead of an actual prime. Will lovers of primes accept this short range zoom?

RonHendriks1966 · 08-21-2013, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by northcoastgreg

Actually, it's probably more like 22 to 38. It will be the first "limited" zoom and as such could be quite as intriguing in its own right as is the larger but ultra fast Sigma 18-35. It will be slower, but much smaller, with possibly the IQ of the limited primes. Pentax seems to be offering this to fill the DA prime gap between 21 and 35 instead of an actual prime. Will lovers of primes accept this short range zoom?

Well I would as long as it is small and giving excellent IQ. The Sigma is way to big! A DA 22-38mm/f2.8 Limited could make a great small zoomlens.

**Pål Jensen** · 08-21-2013, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by northcoastgreg

Actually, it's probably more like 22 to 38. It will be the first "limited" zoom and as such could be quite as intriguing in its own right as is the larger but ultra fast Sigma 18-35. It will be slower, but much smaller, with possibly the IQ of the limited primes. Pentax seems to be offering this to fill the DA prime gap between 21 and 35 instead of an actual prime. Will lovers of primes accept this short range zoom?

I will certainly want this along with the DA 15 Limited to replace my DA* 16-50/2.8 that flares too much.

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08-01-2013, 03:46 PM	#76
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by gazonk Also waiting for the new lenses on the road map... maybe they'll all be announced with the presumed K-3 camera in a couple of months from now? Yes How about a DA 12-28, DA Limited 22-48, DA* 16-85, HD DA 120-380. For the 645: D-FA 28-45, D-FA 45-85, D-FA 90-200.

08-01-2013, 04:38 PM	#77
cfraz Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 521	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Yes How about a DA 12-28, DA Limited 22-48, DA* 16-85, HD DA 120-380. For the 645: D-FA 28-45, D-FA 45-85, D-FA 90-200. Dreamer

08-01-2013, 05:24 PM	#78
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by cfraz Dreamer ...all are on the roadmaps...

08-01-2013, 11:06 PM	#79
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150 Original Poster	Originally posted by Pål Jensen ...all are on the roadmaps... They've been on the roadmap for ages now. Or do you have any way of utilising fantasy lenses?

08-01-2013, 11:12 PM	#80
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Clavius They've been on the roadmap for ages now. Or do you have any way of utilising fantasy lenses? Not for "ages" and with a release date of 2013 or later.

08-01-2013, 11:13 PM	#81
cfraz Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 521	Originally posted by Pål Jensen ...all are on the roadmaps... ... and all being announced in a couple of months would be ... amazing.

08-05-2013, 06:51 PM	#82
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by cfraz ... and all being announced in a couple of months would be ... amazing. Well, its no secret that Pentax have several high-end cameras in the pipeline for release pretty soon. All of theses lenses are candidates to be shown along with high-end camera(s). At least we can hope for some of them this year...

08-21-2013, 09:31 AM	#83
jake14mw Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Connecticut, USA Posts: 977	Originally posted by Uluru Sorry to disappoint your gloom; new 360 flash is ready and coming next month together with TC. It's well into next month. Are they still coming?

08-21-2013, 11:05 AM	#84
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by Pål Jensen HD DA 120-380 Pairs with the DA 18-135. This is the long FL zoom much needed in Pentaxland. Originally posted by Pål Jensen DA* 16-85 Might replace the DA16-50 or simply stand alone to complement the DA60-250. Effectively replaces the 17-70 and if made an f/4 is a response to Canon's f/4 glass. Note that we are seeing a 2-lens zoom kits with these configurations. I see a market strategy to reduce the consumer's total cost of ownership with such variety. Originally posted by Pål Jensen DA Limited 22-48 This one makes the least sense to me. I think the presence of the Sigma 18-35 killed this one. Originally posted by Pål Jensen DA 12-28 Obviously a replacement for the venerable 12-24, hopefully with WR. We'll have to see.

08-21-2013, 11:25 AM	#85
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Or do we just hope to see ?

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08-21-2013, 11:39 AM	#86
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150 Original Poster	Originally posted by Aristophanes Note that we are seeing a 2-lens zoom kits with these configurations. I see a market strategy to reduce the consumer's total cost of ownership with such variety. We're not seeying anything at all. And only zooms on the roadmap. Whilst the real gaps are in the primes.

08-21-2013, 01:21 PM	#87
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	Originally posted by Clavius We're not seeying anything at all. And only zooms on the roadmap. Whilst the real gaps are in the primes. They cannot do everything at once and I'd guess that zooms are the easier sell, even in Pentaxland whose gloire lies in primes. There are a couple of gaps in the primes which would suit me if filled - around 28mm (i.e. 43mm FF) and around 120-135mm (i.e. 180-200mm FF) but that doesn't mean they will suit Pentax, alas. Actually, i wonder if Pentax have ever asked someone to do an analysis of Ebay and second-hand sales to see which are the most popular older lenses for which they do not have current equivalents. That might be an interesting exercise. As for the new Pentax flash, my Metz is broken. That is a paperware item when I could really do with realware at the mo.

08-21-2013, 01:31 PM	#88
northcoastgreg Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Northern Michigan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,173	Originally posted by Aristophanes DA* 16-85: Might replace the DA16-50 or simply stand alone to complement the DA60-250. Effectively replaces the 17-70 and if made an f/4 is a response to Canon's f/4 glass. This almost certainly will be an f4 lens. Definitely a response to Canon's (and Nikon's) top f4 glass, like the Canon 24-105 and the Nikkor 24-125. As a DA* lens, this could easily run over $1,000, so it won't be replacing the 17-70. Fills a huge gap for those looking for a high-end weather sealed standard zoom for landscapes. Originally posted by Aristophanes 22-48 This one makes the least sense to me. I think the presence of the Sigma 18-35 killed this one. Actually, it's probably more like 22 to 38. It will be the first "limited" zoom and as such could be quite as intriguing in its own right as is the larger but ultra fast Sigma 18-35. It will be slower, but much smaller, with possibly the IQ of the limited primes. Pentax seems to be offering this to fill the DA prime gap between 21 and 35 instead of an actual prime. Will lovers of primes accept this short range zoom?

08-21-2013, 01:53 PM	#89
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by northcoastgreg Actually, it's probably more like 22 to 38. It will be the first "limited" zoom and as such could be quite as intriguing in its own right as is the larger but ultra fast Sigma 18-35. It will be slower, but much smaller, with possibly the IQ of the limited primes. Pentax seems to be offering this to fill the DA prime gap between 21 and 35 instead of an actual prime. Will lovers of primes accept this short range zoom? Well I would as long as it is small and giving excellent IQ. The Sigma is way to big! A DA 22-38mm/f2.8 Limited could make a great small zoomlens.

08-21-2013, 02:23 PM	#90
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by northcoastgreg Actually, it's probably more like 22 to 38. It will be the first "limited" zoom and as such could be quite as intriguing in its own right as is the larger but ultra fast Sigma 18-35. It will be slower, but much smaller, with possibly the IQ of the limited primes. Pentax seems to be offering this to fill the DA prime gap between 21 and 35 instead of an actual prime. Will lovers of primes accept this short range zoom? I will certainly want this along with the DA 15 Limited to replace my DA* 16-50/2.8 that flares too much.