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**Rondec** · 07-24-2013, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by Apapukas

funny thing that K-50 perform actually worse than K-30. DxOMark - Pentax K-50 versus competition of course, the super small difference in high ISO will not be noticeable but it is just awkward.

Looks like manufacturers have changed their policy to "Why improve and make money, when you can actually worsen and still make money?"

I'm sure the difference is within the margin of error of their test, beyond which, if you took 10 K30s and tested them by DXO Mark's testing practices, probably none of them would measure exactly the same -- normal variation, you know.

Cynog Ap Brychan · 07-24-2013, 04:06 AM

OMG What's happening to me? That pink and white K-50 looks gorgeous!!

(Speaks in manly voice) but I'd have a green and brown one, of course.

Apapukas · 07-24-2013, 04:17 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

I'm sure the difference is within the margin of error of their test, beyond which, if you took 10 K30s and tested them by DXO Mark's testing practices, probably none of them would measure exactly the same -- normal variation, you know.

OK, I agree that I was a little too drastic.

But c'mon, where is the improvements? Canon 700D at least got the 360° rotating shooting mode dial!

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thibs · 07-24-2013, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by Apapukas

OK, I agree that I was a little too drastic.

But c'mon, where is the improvements? Canon 700D at least got the 360° rotating shooting mode dial!

That's completely beyond the point of a test by DXO because, well it is tested by DXO.
Subjectively, well the question isn't stupid. But that's beside the point.

**Rondec** · 07-24-2013, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by Apapukas

OK, I agree that I was a little too drastic.

But c'mon, where is the improvements? Canon 700D at least got the 360° rotating shooting mode dial!

I guess so. The big question about Canon is whether they can improve the performance of their sensors -- they have lagged considerably over time. DXO Mark is basically about testing sensor performance -- neither more nor less.

I think the K50 was not about improving the K30, but about developing a single body that they could use twice for K50 and K500 and still differentiate them. I doubt that most people with a K30 are going to seriously consider a K50.

Improvements are going to come in the fall with K5 II sequel, whatever that is.

**boriscleto** · 07-24-2013, 07:24 AM

Didn't DxO have differences between the K-20D and K-7 even though they had the same sensor?

**monochrome** · 07-24-2013, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by dosdan

No, it should not be interpreted as a reading error. An only 9 points difference in the Sports Score (I'm sure you know what that metric means) is amazing consistency. There's always sample variation between any two cameras. It shows how repeatable DxOMark's testing methodology and measurement calibration methods are. Rather than causing concern, this result should promote confidence.

Dan.

Finally someone understands testing methodology and proper interpretation of controlled testing results.

cali92rs · 07-24-2013, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by Kobayashi.K

Some people just want to prove that the K-50/K500 is rubbish, no matter what, and they are inventing all sorts of reasons. It's the same pattern we have seen with the K-01.

I don't think anyone is saying the K-50 is rubbish...I think the angst comes from the fact that it is a K-30 with a different body and thus doesnt show any advancement.

**mike.hiran** · 07-24-2013, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by rawr

A big deficiency of DxOMark's measuring system is that they don't calculate a fashion score, based on body colour options and general camera aesthetics. K-50 beats the K-5's and the K-30 in that department.

Fashion score.... lol ☆☆☆☆ :-)

**Aristophanes** · 07-24-2013, 11:20 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

OMG What's happening to me? That pink and white K-50 looks gorgeous!!

(Speaks in manly voice) but I'd have a green and brown one, of course.

Men don't call it pink.

It's salmon.

Like the sport fish.

Mistral75 · 07-24-2013, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Didn't DxO have differences between the K-20D and K-7 even though they had the same sensor?

They had different readout systems.

thibs · 07-24-2013, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by cali92rs

I don't think anyone is saying the K-50 is rubbish...I think the angst comes from the fact that it is a K-30 with a different body and thus doesnt show any advancement.

Really? I thought everybody got it by now.

So why you (and a lot of others) still need to mention it every two posts ?
We know that. Can we get to something interesting to discuss ?

VoiceOfReason · 07-24-2013, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

Men don't call it pink.

It's salmon.

Like the sport fish.

Or lightish red!

Kobayashi.K · 07-24-2013, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by cali92rs

I don't think anyone is saying the K-50 is rubbish...I think the angst comes from the fact that it is a K-30 with a different body and thus doesnt show any advancement.

This time the advancement is in the body, not in the electronics or the optical system.
It's even possible that Pentax is preparing a complete line of APS-C camera's that are based on this body, including a successor of the K5-II and/or a model above it. I would like to see the reactions when that happens!

Zygonyx · 07-24-2013, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Kobayashi.K

This time the advancement is in the body, not in the electronics or the optical system.
It's even possible that Pentax is preparing a complete line of APS-C camera's that are based on this body, including a successor of the K5-II and/or a model above it. I would like to see the reactions when that happens!

It seems still that the measured shutter's decibels are lower than with K-30.

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07-24-2013, 03:28 AM	#16
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,666	Originally posted by Apapukas funny thing that K-50 perform actually worse than K-30. DxOMark - Pentax K-50 versus competition of course, the super small difference in high ISO will not be noticeable but it is just awkward. Looks like manufacturers have changed their policy to "Why improve and make money, when you can actually worsen and still make money?" I'm sure the difference is within the margin of error of their test, beyond which, if you took 10 K30s and tested them by DXO Mark's testing practices, probably none of them would measure exactly the same -- normal variation, you know.

07-24-2013, 04:06 AM	#17
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	OMG What's happening to me? That pink and white K-50 looks gorgeous!! (Speaks in manly voice) but I'd have a green and brown one, of course.

07-24-2013, 07:06 AM	#19
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Apapukas OK, I agree that I was a little too drastic. But c'mon, where is the improvements? Canon 700D at least got the 360° rotating shooting mode dial! That's completely beyond the point of a test by DXO because, well it is tested by DXO. Subjectively, well the question isn't stupid. But that's beside the point.

07-24-2013, 07:18 AM	#20
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,666	Originally posted by Apapukas OK, I agree that I was a little too drastic. But c'mon, where is the improvements? Canon 700D at least got the 360° rotating shooting mode dial! I guess so. The big question about Canon is whether they can improve the performance of their sensors -- they have lagged considerably over time. DXO Mark is basically about testing sensor performance -- neither more nor less. I think the K50 was not about improving the K30, but about developing a single body that they could use twice for K50 and K500 and still differentiate them. I doubt that most people with a K30 are going to seriously consider a K50. Improvements are going to come in the fall with K5 II sequel, whatever that is.

07-24-2013, 07:24 AM	#21
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,477	Didn't DxO have differences between the K-20D and K-7 even though they had the same sensor?

07-24-2013, 07:36 AM	#22
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by dosdan No, it should not be interpreted as a reading error. An only 9 points difference in the Sports Score (I'm sure you know what that metric means) is amazing consistency. There's always sample variation between any two cameras. It shows how repeatable DxOMark's testing methodology and measurement calibration methods are. Rather than causing concern, this result should promote confidence. Dan. Finally someone understands testing methodology and proper interpretation of controlled testing results.

07-24-2013, 08:12 AM	#23
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by Kobayashi.K Some people just want to prove that the K-50/K500 is rubbish, no matter what, and they are inventing all sorts of reasons. It's the same pattern we have seen with the K-01. I don't think anyone is saying the K-50 is rubbish...I think the angst comes from the fact that it is a K-30 with a different body and thus doesnt show any advancement.

07-24-2013, 09:05 AM	#24
mike.hiran Site Supporter Join Date: May 2007 Location: portland Photos: Albums Posts: 1,491	Originally posted by rawr A big deficiency of DxOMark's measuring system is that they don't calculate a fashion score, based on body colour options and general camera aesthetics. K-50 beats the K-5's and the K-30 in that department. Fashion score.... lol ☆☆☆☆ :-)

07-24-2013, 11:20 AM - 1 Like	#25
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan OMG What's happening to me? That pink and white K-50 looks gorgeous!! (Speaks in manly voice) but I'd have a green and brown one, of course. Men don't call it pink. It's salmon. Like the sport fish.

07-24-2013, 11:23 AM	#26
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by boriscleto Didn't DxO have differences between the K-20D and K-7 even though they had the same sensor? They had different readout systems.

07-24-2013, 11:25 AM	#27
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by cali92rs I don't think anyone is saying the K-50 is rubbish...I think the angst comes from the fact that it is a K-30 with a different body and thus doesnt show any advancement. Really? I thought everybody got it by now. So why you (and a lot of others) still need to mention it every two posts ? We know that. Can we get to something interesting to discuss ?

07-24-2013, 11:28 AM	#28
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	Originally posted by Aristophanes Men don't call it pink. It's salmon. Like the sport fish. Or lightish red!

07-24-2013, 11:33 AM	#29
Kobayashi.K Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 716	Originally posted by cali92rs I don't think anyone is saying the K-50 is rubbish...I think the angst comes from the fact that it is a K-30 with a different body and thus doesnt show any advancement. This time the advancement is in the body, not in the electronics or the optical system. It's even possible that Pentax is preparing a complete line of APS-C camera's that are based on this body, including a successor of the K5-II and/or a model above it. I would like to see the reactions when that happens!

07-24-2013, 12:19 PM	#30
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by Kobayashi.K This time the advancement is in the body, not in the electronics or the optical system. It's even possible that Pentax is preparing a complete line of APS-C camera's that are based on this body, including a successor of the K5-II and/or a model above it. I would like to see the reactions when that happens! It seems still that the measured shutter's decibels are lower than with K-30.

DXO Just reviewed the K-50

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