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08-27-2013, 03:40 AM   #211
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QuoteOriginally posted by ennacac Quote
Possibly the DSLR without video would be lighter, more compact and less expensive, while maintaining the same IQ!
It wouldn't change a thing, just irritate folks. All of the CMOS sensors out now are capable of producing video, so it is just a software issue (which Pentax already has). Can you imagine if Pentax released to versions of the K5 II, one with video enabled and without, but the camera equal sized and costing the same? It's a free feature, just like scene modes or filters -- once they are developed, it basically costs nothing to activate them on a camera.

Pentax has to sell cameras against the competition and when all of them (even entry level cameras) have video, to disable it on a camera, would be to kill that particular camera.

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Even Leica is proud to offer video and LV on new M-mount cameras.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
It wouldn't change a thing, just irritate folks. All of the CMOS sensors out now are capable of producing video, so it is just a software issue (which Pentax already has).
It would probably result in lots of fun for firmware hackers, though
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Even Leica is proud to offer video and LV on new M-mount cameras.
Which is somewhat natural, because it was the first camera that used film off the film rolls (for movie industry) yet in a camera designed to record static images. So they've made a full circle.

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QuoteOriginally posted by nixcamic Quote
I will never understand this obsession with removing video from SLRs. .
Snobbery plain and simple. For some reason, many seem to think having video makes a camera less "serious", which is funny, considering that A) today's Pentax is not positioned as a true "pro" brand but more as an enthusiast brand and B) Many (most?) pros are happy to use 5dII/III or D800E, where high video quality is a key marketing point. As others here have said, removing video would be pure idiocy from a business standpoint.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Waratah Quote
Or not have buttons that get bumped every now and then.
I'm a pure still photography person. But I don't see any advantage in removing video from the K-5.

On the K-5 the video mode is on the side of the mode dial that I never pass (I only move between Av and M and sometimes to B or USER), so it really doesn't bother me at all. On earlier cameras I sometimes bumped the mode dial into the wrong position but the lock button on the K-5 prevents that. The Lv-button may be another thing, but I cannot see that as a video mode as Live View frequently comes in really handy for some shots. Don't use it often (once every 100 shots or so), but it's good to have when needed.

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QuoteOriginally posted by dcshooter Quote
Snobbery plain and simple. For some reason, many seem to think having video makes a camera less "serious", which is funny, considering that A) today's Pentax is not positioned as a true "pro" brand but more as an enthusiast brand and B) Many (most?) pros are happy to use 5dII/III or D800E, where high video quality is a key marketing point. As others here have said, removing video would be pure idiocy from a business standpoint.
That is a rather harsh way to view it. A poster just mentioned that he thought that it would make the camera cheaper lighter and less expensive. He was wrong in that assumption, however lighter and cheaper are both good things and far from making him a snob.
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I wasn't reacting to that post but the one by tjstimbo which said "I would love to see either (or both) a full frame model and a very updated K5 model that only takes photo's, I don't like to do video with an SLR, seems like a waste of time"

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That is a rather harsh way to view it. A poster just mentioned that he thought that it would make the camera cheaper lighter and less expensive. He was wrong in that assumption, however lighter and cheaper are both good things and far from making him a snob.


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SNOB, interesting take on my post!

It doesn't seem to me to simply a software issue, since the video controls need to be added to the DSLR to access the video feature.
FWIW, my K5 overheats the sensor after 15 min of shooting video, which makes it fairly useless for what I use a video camera for. For me, that makes the video option less than worthwhile and seems to be simply there so Pentax can claim a video option like other cameras.

I still feel leaving the video off and just having a DSLR that takes great photographs would be a far better option.
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The K-5 has exactly one video control: a dedicated position on the mode wheel.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ennacac Quote
SNOB, interesting take on my post!

It doesn't seem to me to simply a software issue, since the video controls need to be added to the DSLR to access the video feature.
FWIW, my K5 overheats the sensor after 15 min of shooting video, which makes it fairly useless for what I use a video camera for. For me, that makes the video option less than worthwhile and seems to be simply there so Pentax can claim a video option like other cameras.

I still feel leaving the video off and just having a DSLR that takes great photographs would be a far better option.
As clearly posted above, I was reacting to TJSTIMBO's post.

And as others have stated, leaving the video off gains you absolutely nothing. The sensors and processing engines used in these cameras already can do video out of the box. Heck, look at what the Magic Lantern guys have one in the Canon world, and you will see that it's possible to get better than HD video even out of cameras that pre-date widespread video capability with a mere firmware update.

True, there are limitations in the Pentax cameras with the sensor overheating that mainly stem from Pentax's unique take on image stabilization, but hey, the programming to get the video function in the K-5's firmware probably took about an afternoon to do using pre-existing libraries. The extra hours on the engineers' part were likely more than paid for by the sale of only a handful of additional bodies. And adding an additional setting to the mode knob is trivial too - simply add one position on a knob and design a "video camera" logo. EVERYTHING else is done in software.

So why not add video? It's not like it takes ANYTHING away from the existing camera to add it. And how is taking this feature away a "better option" if doing so in no way improves your DSLR (that incidentally ALREADY takes great photographs) and might actually increase sales of the model?
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QuoteQuote:
[...] there is no Photokina this year? [...]
But there is IFA :

The Internationale Funkausstellung Berlin (IFA) is one of the world's largest consumer electronics trade fairs.
The next IFA will be held in Berlin from 6 September to 11 September in 2013.
RICOH will be present in Hall 2.2/110.
  • Ricoh HZ15
  • HD Pentax DA limiteds (15, 21, 35, 40 ,70) (s/b)
  • Pentax AF360/540 FGZ II
  • Pentax ?-?
  • ...
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It says Ricoh, not Ricoh Imaging... maybe we'll see some non-photography products? Printers, copiers...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
It says Ricoh, not Ricoh Imaging... maybe we'll see some non-photography products? Printers, copiers...
Well since it is a consumer electronics show, wouldn't surprise me to see Ricoh's entire consumer electronics new fall releases there. How big were the booths under Hoya's reign anyway? They didn't seem very big to me.
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No idea, but now they have a space similar with Panasonic (and I doubt Panasonic would have a tiny stand).

L.E. This isn't true; the actual space seems to be about 1/5 of Nikon's and a little bit smaller than Sigma's (they are neighbors), thus much smaller than Panasonic's. Well, it's not like Ricoh Imaging needs so much exhibition space, and we'd rather have them put those money in R&D, right? Anyway, I hope they'll have a nice stand.
My apologies for the misinformation.

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