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09-01-2013, 04:40 AM   #241
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Uluru: popularity doen't necessarily translate in sales I'm willing to bet Pentax sells more than Fuji.
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I'm not sure that Ricoh would have refreshed the Limited lenses in the way they have if the only new camera they have in mind is a standard-issue black box. So while a conventional replacement or companion for the K5II is highly likely, I'm hoping for a second, wild-card camera which might be rather different and is very much the small, svelte body specifically intended to match these small prime lenses. Think Canon 100D/SL1 but taken all the way up in terms of sensor, style and materials, and perhaps not even with a mirror. People in the West might think WTF but that wouldn't matter in the least if such a camera were a hit with folks in Asia. That market alone would likely keep Ricoh running at full capacity. Time to starting issuing virtual tokens for virtual bottles of champagne so we can all place our bets ...
There is a possible marketing story behind the update, they made it clear those are higher grade lenses (suitable for a higher grade camera). I doubt that higher grade camera would be smaller, as performance needs space.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
God spare us tiny DSLRs with grip, like Canon 100D.
Lol, as I said folks in the West might think WTF. But that really won't matter if customers in Asia like a camera of that kind. And, yes, the Fuji X100s is another and very successful on the idea of small, svelte, classic, beautifully designed, high quality throughout. The Limited refresh suggests that Ricoh are after more than just another lens to put on the front of a camera, imho, though there's nothing wrong with that and thousands of other lenses are out there often at much lower cost. However, in the Limiteds (including the FAs) Ricoh have an opportunity to make a very distinct statement with a body, accessories and marketing all tailored for that line. Had Pentax had the means, I think they might have done this long before now. Just guessing of course, but it is somewhat in the vein of making the most of what you have.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mecrox Quote
However, in the Limiteds (including the FAs) Ricoh have an opportunity to make a very distinct statement with a body, accessories and marketing all tailored for that line. Had Pentax had the means, I think they might have done this long before now. Just guessing of course, but it is somewhat in the vein of making the most of what you have.
I really think this is what they did with K-7, as it's pretty much custom made for DA Ltd. But I also think they want cameras that are well suited for use with larger lenses like DA*.
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Hi all,

I spoke with a Pentax retailer this afternoon... To paraphrase: "Ricoh are investing a great deal in Pentax, and they are going about it the right way. The plans for the future are exciting"...
Well, that is exciting news/rumors!

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God spare us tiny DSLRs with grip, like Canon 100D.
God help us if Pentax makes anything.

Better to have everyone equally upset over nothing than to have half the Forum singing hosanna and the othre half declaiming dooooom.
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God help us if Pentax makes anything.

Better to have everyone equally upset over nothing than to have half the Forum singing hosanna and the othre half declaiming dooooom.
I can see the upcoming Sony A3000 doing that for the big electronics giant.

Then again, what a great way for us Pentaxians to see how the 20 MP sensor works before it trickles down to us in the form of a new camera!
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Uluru: popularity doen't necessarily translate in sales I'm willing to bet Pentax sells more than Fuji.
It is hard to say. But sometime ago, Thom Hogan quoted exact number of X100 cameras sold, and it was in 100K+ number, IIRC. That was for the original, very flawed but still beautiful X100, maybe within a year after the announcement. What has happened now since X100s and in later life of the X100, I don't know, but camera is in constant demand, very hard to find. I wouldn't say it sells in millions, but the number may be good.
I think it's the look and appeal that people love, and the right focal length chosen; at least in the West, GR would sell better if it had a 35mm lens. Which makes one wonder why on Earth Pentax doesn't make a damn 35mm lens, or at least does something around DA21 to sell it more.
It would be interesting to know how many K-01s Pentax sold.

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Yeah, comparing it to the (probably) worst selling Pentax is entirely fair, and would definitely prove it to be an astounding success.

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GR would sell better if it had a 35mm lens
Really? I'd love to get my hands on one - but . . . .
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Really? I'd love to get my hands on one - but . . . .
I've said in the West. Even in film days, 35mm was considered to be perfect wide-normal.
But hell will freeze over before Pentax / Ricoh make a 35mm equivalent lens for their current cameras (24mm for APS-C). Call it their Japanese trait of stubborness.
Fuji has definitely learned a lesson.
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Yeah, comparing it to the (probably) worst selling Pentax is entirely fair, and would definitely prove it to be an astounding success.
Who ever said K-01 was the worst selling Pentax? I was merely interested to hear numbers; what was the planned production of the K-01? It was designed to last 12 months, went on fire sale and was selling for months for $400 or thereabouts. My bet is that X100 outsold K-01 in its first and only year, despite being more expensive.

Fuji is exercising a good production strategy with X100/s, similar to Ricoh's re its GR, by keeping the market deliberately undersupplied. Is it hard to admit that Fuji indeed had a much better idea than Pentax, made a great camera that doesn't need any special or fire sale to sell well?

But if it had a Pentax logo instead of Fuji's, I presume we'd read your endless odes about it, and about the brilliance of Pentax engineers

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Who ever said K-01 was the worst selling Pentax?
K-m likely was.
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I'm not sure that Ricoh would have refreshed the Limited lenses in the way they have if the only new camera they have in mind is a standard-issue black box. So while a conventional replacement or companion for the K5II is highly likely, I'm hoping for a second, wild-card camera which might be rather different and is very much the small, svelte body specifically intended to match these small prime lenses. Think Canon 100D/SL1 but taken all the way up in terms of sensor, style and materials, and perhaps not even with a mirror. People in the West might think WTF but that wouldn't matter in the least if such a camera were a hit with folks in Asia. That market alone would likely keep Ricoh running at full capacity. Time to starting issuing virtual tokens for virtual bottles of champagne so we can all place our bets ...
It's all speculation at this point, of course, but I read the Ltd's refresh as preparing the way for a 'professional' grade APS-C (as one Pentax exec. let slip earlier in the year). That would make sense to me. If you're about to release a camera and call it 'professional', you would want the other elements of the system (eg lenses and flashes) to be up to professional standard as well.

Of course, you could be right and I could be wrong, or we both could be right.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Poit Quote
It's all speculation at this point, of course, but I read the Ltd's refresh as preparing the way for a 'professional' grade APS-C (as one Pentax exec. let slip earlier in the year). That would make sense to me. If you're about to release a camera and call it 'professional', you would want the other elements of the system (eg lenses and flashes) to be up to professional standard as well.
I'd tend to agree with this. Will the K-5ii replacement has a faster flash X-sync? 1/250 would be nice.
The lens refresh, esp. being the Ltds suggests the high end.
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curiouser and curiouser

I love living in exciting times!
I am really wondering what pentax will pull out of the hat. Sony has the 24MP sensor, the 20MP sensor and the 16MP sensor with phase detect circuits, and of course the 36MP but not sure if Nikon has exclusive on that.

I don't know, maybe K-02 with 16MP with PD and EVF and a K3 with 24MP?

Where are those damn lotto tickets!

As far as Nikon, I am pretty sure that the CEO is preparing 3 envelopes as we speak...(so to speak)


Prepare 3 Envelopes

As I recall from Econ class, when the supply is high and the demand is low something has to give and that is usually the price, so I expect body prices to continue their downward slide. Lenses, not so sure, they have much longer lifespans.
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