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09-05-2013, 03:55 PM   #361
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
I think it does confirm the 12 month cycle of a product update development. If camera is ready for Xmas shopping, then the development started as I suspected, not at all in summer 2012, or spring 2012, etc. In most part of 2012, they didn't do anything, practically speaking.
The 12 month development cycle is a supposition, it's not confirmed by anything. Rumors says the advanced APS-C was supposed to be launched earlier this year, but for reasons unknown (? - issues with the sensor were cited) it was postponed.
Anyway, you were saying something about mid-2014...

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
The 12 month development cycle is a supposition, it's not confirmed by anything. Rumors says the advanced APS-C was supposed to be launched earlier this year, but for reasons unknown (? - issues with the sensor were cited) it was postponed.
Anyway, you were saying something about mid-2014...
The other minute I read someone "is testing the K-3" People are rightfully joking now.
Of course there was no any pro DSLR 'postponed' because there was no pro DSLR in the first place. People invent rumors. If anything was ready, it would've been announced so far.

Just use any current date, and wind the clock back some 10-12 months back to see when that thing started to take shape — in case of a progressive update. In case of really new tech, or leap like the GR 5, wind back the clock 18-24 months.

For the future new tech leap, I suspect mid 2014 based on observation that even during Fotokina 2012 they didn't know for sure where to go and what to do.

What we could see before mid 2014, is an APS-C DSLR of some kind. Or the new Q. Or an MX update. A rehash of some lenses, something based on GR, etc.

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I think this goes to show Ricoh is a company who will not let anything out of the bag until they are good and ready. I now expect an "out of the blue" announcement, rather than at a show, a la Apple.

I still think something is coming very soon - as I don't think they can afford to miss the Christmas market without something fresh.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Clarkey Quote
I think this goes to show Ricoh is a company who will not let anything out of the bag until they are good and ready. I now expect an "out of the blue" announcement, rather than at a show, a la Apple.

I still think something is coming very soon - as I don't think they can afford to miss the Christmas market without something fresh.
I tell you what, even Burger Kings, if they've acquired Pentax in 2011, could deliver something fresh for the late 2013 / early 2014.
The fact they can make only by then, tells they are incapable handling the consumer oriented brand. All their behaviour shown regarding Pentax products is ruled by the b2b book of behaviour.


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09-05-2013, 06:08 PM - 1 Like   #365
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
For the future new tech leap, I suspect mid 2014 based on observation that even during Fotokina 2012 they didn't know for sure where to go and what to do. .
I find it amazing that you know that they didn't know where to go. I must assume that you work in their management cause thats only way you could know.
I find it equally amazing that a company like Ricoh would buy a camera manufacturer without a plan.
BTW the developing time for a DSLR is typically 1,5 years; probably more if lots of new stuff goes into it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pål Jensen Quote
I find it equally amazing that a company like Ricoh would buy a camera manufacturer without a plan.
I don't. Happens all the time.

They see assets, and current customers may or may not be assets.

They may be liabilities.
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I would be pretty shocked if pentax didnt release some sort of refresh using that toshiba or even sony 24mp sensor. In general use it may not be that great of a difference over the K5, but i think they are missing a lot of potential sales to nikon D7100 or even the D5200 when compared against the K500/K5.

On paper i kinda want the D5200 but when i hold that camera in my hand i just dont like it. I really hope pentax releases a new camera so i can find someone to part with their K5 iis cheap :-)
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Looks like I will wait before I get a Pentax camera. I want to see what comes out before I get a K5iis.

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As long as Ricoh's not announcing that they have sold the Pentax brand to Burger King, I should be fine and happy!
Why? The cameras are starting to have happy meal coloring and the little primes would make wonderful prizes in the big kid happy meals.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
Even in film days, 35mm was considered to be perfect wide-normal.
This post is a bit stale, but I will respond anyway. Having been alive back-in-the-day, I can confidently say that the 35mm focal length was considered a moderate wide-angle, not a wide normal. 40mm-45mm was a wide normal and the norm for fixed-lens rangefinder cams as a result.

That does not mean that 35mm is not a sweet focal length. It is my favorite focal length for my rangefinder cameras and I frequently use it on my film SLRs. Wide enough for use in tight spaces and long enough to isolate the subject. Short enough to support generous DOF at moderate apertures and often fairly compact. What is there not to like? Oh, yeah...almost forgot...a little too wide for portraits, unless, of course, you like duck face. Many of the vintage 35s also suffer from barrel distortion and vignette.

Back to beating the drum for a new K-mount 24mm...It might be a good idea...


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Back to beating the drum for a new K-mount 24mm...It might be a good idea...
If the DA21 was a DA24 of any kind, Pentax's offer for APS-C would be significantly differently accepted.
It would put people's mind to rest, they wouldn't think twice about it.
But like this, it is called brand mismanagement, in which a brand allows doubts and insecurities to creep in potential user's mind. All eccentricities must then be silenced, and common sense used.
With a DA24, even a DA15 would have much more sense. But today, many people are buying either one, or the other — instead of both.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
If the DA21 was a DA24 of any kind, Pentax's offer for APS-C would be significantly differently accepted.
It would put people's mind to rest, they wouldn't think twice about it.
But like this, it is called brand mismanagement, in which a brand allows doubts and insecurities to creep in potential user's mind. All eccentricities must then be silenced, and common sense used.
With a DA24, even a DA15 would have much more sense. But today, many people are buying either one, or the other — instead of both.
Oh, please, Uluru, stop this BS.
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I've bought neither since I have no use for either of them.. who would've thought that was possible.

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Poit.
I shoot weddings with the same gear. But on my last wedding I had the most stress of any wedding ever.....
it was DARK. and the K20d simply could not keep up with artistic ambition. It could not focus well, and when that happens, you know the quality of picture goes out the window. I hate shooting just flash.....
Anyway, I want to see what comes after the K-5II BADLY!!!! For the first time I felt the equipment was really holding me back.
Hi Steelski.

I have the same experience / problem with the K20d. In low light (either evenings or receptions) autofocus can be a real battle, I don't have confidence in the result I am going to get, and high ISO images are too noisy to consider using. I don't enjoy using the K20d for weddings, because I have to think about the camera when I should be thinking about more important things.

As someone else said, the K5ii seems to have resolved a lot (if not all) of those problems, but I still don't think it meets all requirements for a true professional system (one obvious example, no back-up memory card slot). I'm going to wait and see what the next release is, and if it doesn't meet my needs I'll have to jump ship (after 15 years using Pentax). Most probably a Nikon D800.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
The 12 month development cycle is a supposition, it's not confirmed by anything. (...)
K10D / K20D / K-7 / K-5 were launched according to a 16-month cycle (September 13th, 2006 / January 23rd, 2008 / May 20th, 2009 / September 20th, 2010), which should more or less correspond then to the development cycle of a high-end APS-C camera.
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