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09-06-2013, 01:07 AM - 2 Likes   #376
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
K10D / K20D / K-7 / K-5 were launched according to a 16-month cycle (September 13th, 2006 / January 23rd, 2008 / May 20th, 2009 / September 20th, 2010), which should more or less correspond then to the development cycle of a high-end APS-C camera.
I can see a detoriation here: While the K-5 was based on the K-7, the K-5 II came after 24 months, not 16, and was a minor upgrade compared to K-7 -> K-5.

I'm pretty sure there has been a K-3 in the works for a long time, and that it was supposed to be released at the same time as the K-5 II. It was delayed or scrapped possibly because it used the 24mp sensor of the NEX-7 and that they concluded it didn't offer enough of an IQ advantage over the K-5 (or maybe it even behaved badly with some of the premium Pentax lenses). The pressure in the direction of FF would require them to deliver an APS-C camera that really was a significant upgrade, not just a maybe-better camera with higher resolution. If this was the case, the K-5 II(s) was a very smart move, after all the K-5 IIs gets a lot of praise and sells better than they expected.

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If they do what they did with K-7 / 645D, the soon-to-be-announced high-end APS-C camera should share a lot of components with the ever-rumoured-never-seen-yet 24x36 camera, including a body larger than that of the K-7 / K-5 (II)(s) to accommodate a larger sensor, larger heat dissipaters, etc.

The 24x36 camera would then be developed and produced at marginal cost, helping it to be profitable in spite of low sales projections.
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Well, looking over the other side of the fence, neither Canon nor Nikon has launched anything that would have stolen any thunder from Ricoh's fabled K3!

Besides, Nikon forums are all up in arms about Nikon's apparent lack of innovation, lackluster releases and all. I will not be surprised that over at the Canon side, the criticisms over Canon's sensors have gone on unabated. The only thing that differentiates the CaNikon forums from the Pentaxforums is the webpage background!

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What about the D7100, D600, or the D800 ? Those steal a lot of thunder if you ask me...

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What about the D7100, D600, or the D800 ? Those steal a lot of thunder if you ask me...
K-5II has better autofocus than the D7100 and nearly the same dynamic rage as the D600 and D800. Capable cameras, but nothing to be envious of. All the hand wringing ignores the fact the K-5II is still a class leader and a very good value.
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K-5II has better autofocus than the D7100 and nearly the same dynamic rage as the D600 and D800. Capable cameras, but nothing to be envious of. All the hand wringing ignores the fact the K-5II is still a class leader and a very good value.
No one is ignoring the fact that K5II is a value.
But what such implications through " just use a damn tool and stop crying" accusation do, is deliberate ignoring and twisting of the fact that we are not talking about good enough cameras.
We are talking about a more complex situation we are thrown into not by our conscious choice, and an explanation given isn't good enough — it hurts intelligence, and is not up to scratch.
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The only thing that differentiates the CaNikon forums from the Pentaxforums is the webpage background!
Should be adjustable (black color on default).
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Should be adjustable (black color on default).
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
If they do what they did with K-7 / 645D, the soon-to-be-announced high-end APS-C camera should share a lot of components with the ever-rumoured-never-seen-yet 24x36 camera,
- or, more likely, with the 645D II which has probably been in development for a longer time than the Unicorn Camera
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
No one is ignoring the fact that K5II is a value.
But what such implications through " just use a damn tool and stop crying" accusation do, is deliberate ignoring and twisting of the fact that we are not talking about good enough cameras.
We are talking about a more complex situation we are thrown into not by our conscious choice, and an explanation given isn't good enough it hurts intelligence, and is not up to scratch.

It's "up to scratch" just fine. That's my point by citing dynamic range and autofocus. That said, I'm simply not that emotionally invested in a consumer product to complain. If I had your concerns, I'd just switch brands to something I wanted.
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QuoteOriginally posted by konraDarnok Quote
K-5II has better autofocus than the D7100 and nearly the same dynamic rage as the D600 and D800. Capable cameras, but nothing to be envious of. All the hand wringing ignores the fact the K-5II is still a class leader and a very good value.
The autofocus is up for debate. the K5 has a little better low light autofocus, but the nikon has better tracking focus (sports shooting) Anyrate, were not talking about who has a better camera. we are talking about who is stealing the thunder. Nikon released a bunch of new models that people are getting excited about. Pentax released a k5 II that has the SAME SPECS -- i see tons of people asking whats special about the K5 II

Then tons of people bragging about their 24mp D5200 -- my point is nikon's refresh is a lot more exciting (thunder stealing) I myself am still saving for a K5 IIs, but if the price is about the same i might go for a D7100 too.
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QuoteOriginally posted by buttons Quote
The autofocus is up for debate. the K5 has a little better low light autofocus, but the nikon has better tracking focus (sports shooting) Anyrate, were not talking about who has a better camera. we are talking about who is stealing the thunder. Nikon released a bunch of new models that people are getting excited about. Pentax released a k5 II that has the SAME SPECS -- i see tons of people asking whats special about the K5 II

Then tons of people bragging about their 24mp D5200 -- my point is nikon's refresh is a lot more exciting (thunder stealing) I myself am still saving for a K5 IIs, but if the price is about the same i might go for a D7100 too.



You can only manage your own perceptions. The "buzz" of the Canikon universe is wholly outside of what Pentax is up to. Pentax, Sony, and Olympus have all released some great products over the years, but none of them have ever broken the glass ceiling where the Big 2 live.


If this were about beer, there's no point in being a Spud's MacKenzie fan when the world has moved on to Budweiser Frogs and Coors Silver Bullet trains. It's better to just have a microbrew and be confident, that while a little pricy, you're putting a good beer above marketing.
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Do you suppose I should finally change from the Red Skin now?
I think the dark black color better expresses the current aura of this forum..
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Then tons of people bragging about their 24mp D5200 -- my point is nikon's refresh is a lot more exciting (thunder stealing) I myself am still saving for a K5 IIs, but if the price is about the same i might go for a D7100 too.
While the MP race is waning a fair bit it is still relevant. Pentax needs to update their flagship APS-C with 2-24MP's just to stay even. So I expect we'll see that fairly soon.

Other improvements might come with the era LCD, maybe articulating. Maybe the AF incrementally improved. Video codec. CDAF options.

Outside chance of a faster flash sync (would require a new shutter system entirely).

There's not a lot of improvements one can do to a very mature technology like the DSLR.
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Then tons of people bragging about their 24mp D5200
You're concerned because some people are bragging about megapixels?

Not too long ago, Nikon were the ones saying "we are not concerned with megapixel count... image quality is more important". I'd say concerning image quality, Pentax is not lacking.
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