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09-06-2013, 06:18 PM - 3 Likes   #406
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Wading in again with my opinion.

I've shot Canon for decades, got into Nikon a few years ago because I don't like the limitations of Canon's sensors in some situations.
After enough prodding and testing I gave Pentax a try.
Gotta say, my K-5 IIs is my favorite camera right now, much as I still enjoy my d800e.

On my Pentax wish-list is a FF body. Can they pull it off and still provide good SR with the larger heavier sensor carrier?

Also on my Pentax wish-list is more versatile AF. The current system in the k5ii is PDG, especially in low light, but more points and faster overall focusing would put the thing into a better position for action or faster paced shooting that some people would prefer. E.G. The D5200 seems to have a pretty capable AF system for a consumer body.

Metering... I don't know what it is about Pentax metering but it's not like what I'm used to on Canon and Nikon! I find under-exposure is a common issue on all my Pentax bodies and matrix and CWA metering is less predictable than it is on my Nikons or Canons. Perhaps I just need to finally clue in to WHY it produces these different results and learn to accommodate the difference but so far I find myself reshooting and bracketing far more with Pentax than I used to with my other gear.

In the end tho, I really like the results I get from my Pentax gear and that's where the ink meets the canvas.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
Looks like the new camera is here. Theta 360......

Now we can start talking about next year.
Why? There are still 3 full months left of this one. Not that talking would get us anywhere - I'd rather recommend patiently waiting.

I can't understand people mocking the Theta 360. It's an unique product. We knew for years they're working on it, we saw 2 prototypes - with very different shapes, the yo-yo and the mantis bug; the final product looks pretty neat - Apple-style. And it's branded Ricoh - no Pentax brand dilution whatsoever.

Uluru, I'm afraid you're trying to find the clues to support some premade conclusions. But it's all subjective and hair-splitting, like when you consider Kawauchi-san's words as "a flat, white lie"; what's the relation between pixel count and lens prices, anyway?
By the way, it's said Pentax found image quality-related issues with the 24MP sensor they were testing. Nikon's has issues, too...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
Looks like the new camera is here. Theta 360......

Now we can start talking about next year.
Why wait patiently like an idiot for something that may or (more probable) may not come? If another brand has what you need then why not just buy that gear and go out shooting with it instead? Life is way to short.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
Nikon delivers what is available at the market of sensor tech and gives its users cameras. Users buy and stay with the mount. "Ok, you want FF sensor? Here it is. You want 24 MP ApSC, here it is." In all of this, users experiment with multiple choices, buy different lenses and realise where they want to be, or, where to go.
It is sad to see many Pentax users change system and sell Pentax lenses perfectly capable of higher res APS-C sensors, FF sensors, etc. because they have no cameras to use them with; they were never able to see a bigger picture, the possibility of an existing mount.
And then somebody, like Mr Kawauchi himself, comes in and says their concern is "picture quality not megapixels", while with other hand rewrites all new lens prices, tells us a flat, white lie. What is even worse, that is a very bad excuse for their own procrastination.
Hear, Hear

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QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
While the MP race is waning a fair bit it is still relevant. Pentax needs to update their flagship APS-C with 2-24MP's just to stay even. So I expect we'll see that fairly soon.

Other improvements might come with the era LCD, maybe articulating. Maybe the AF incrementally improved. Video codec. CDAF options.

Outside chance of a faster flash sync (would require a new shutter system entirely).

There's not a lot of improvements one can do to a very mature technology like the DSLR.
I totally agree with your assessment.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
Why wait patiently like an idiot for something that may or (more probable) may not come?
That would be stupid, indeed. Fortunately, there's the option of waiting like an intelligent man
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QuoteOriginally posted by aglet Quote
I find under-exposure is a common issue on all my Pentax bodies and matrix and CWA metering is less predictable than it is on my Nikons or Canons.
Really? On the K-5 IIs? My (vanilla) K-5 has such a strong tendency to over-expose that I almost always have it set to EV -0.3 or -0.7 to avoid unrecoverable blown highlights. The K10D is a completely different story, though, its matrix metering seems to expose for the brightest areas no matter how small they are. The difference between the two cameras is extreme: When my son and I visited New York a month ago, I left my K-5 at EV -0.7 when we were shooting at Times Square late at night. In order to get the K10D, which he now uses, to perform nicely, I had to help him crank compensation up to +1.7 (He could of course just used manual exposure, but he's 14 and just learning to use a DSLR, I didn't want to do too much exposure education in the middle of Times Square at night )

Btw here's what he got at +1.7 (click for big flickr version):

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Can I ask what may be a stupid question. what's the big deal about a ff camera? I've really only ever used aps-c (well and a film Nikon way back). Just curious to understand the appeal.

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QuoteOriginally posted by dagaetch Quote
Can I ask what may be a stupid question. what's the big deal about a ff camera? I've really only ever used aps-c (well and a film Nikon way back). Just curious to understand the appeal.
I think there would be many answers. For most users, APS-C is "good enough," but the reasons that people want full frame that I have read are (in no particular order): (1) better optical viewfinder, (2) better high iso, (3) better dynamic range, (4) more options for narrow depth of field photography, and (5) "I'm used to have focal lengths behave on full frame and it's too hard figure out how they behave on APS-C." (The "I want my FA 31 limited to be a wide angle again" comment).
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
I think there would be many answers. For most users, APS-C is "good enough," but the reasons that people want full frame that I have read are (in no particular order): (1) better optical viewfinder, (2) better high iso, (3) better dynamic range, (4) more options for narrow depth of field photography, and (5) "I'm used to have focal lengths behave on full frame and it's too hard figure out how they behave on APS-C." (The "I want my FA 31 limited to be a wide angle again" comment).
One last thing you forgot to mention imho: nothing. Some (most actually) are happy with aps-c.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
I think there would be many answers. For most users, APS-C is "good enough," but the reasons that people want full frame that I have read are (in no particular order): (1) better optical viewfinder, (2) better high iso, (3) better dynamic range, (4) more options for narrow depth of field photography, and (5) "I'm used to have focal lengths behave on full frame and it's too hard figure out how they behave on APS-C." (The "I want my FA 31 limited to be a wide angle again" comment).
I agree with the rest, but #3 is not accurate. I just checked DR performance at DXOMark:
K-5 II = 14.1
D800 = 14.4
5D Mk III = 11.7
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I agree with the rest, but #3 is not accurate. I just checked DR performance at DXOMark:
K-5 II = 14.1
D800 = 14.4
5D Mk III = 11.7
You are right (sort of). Throwing out Canon sensors as "behind the times." Shooting at equivalent isos, the D800 has one stop better dynamic range. The issue is that K5 has iso 80 available, while base iso for the D800 is 100.
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The difference between 14.1 EV and 14.4 EV is one stop?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
Looks like the new camera is here. Theta 360......

Now we can start talking about next year.
The year is not out yet. I think we need to wait for a few more weeks. I don't think nikon or canon have made their product announcement s yet. As a guess Pentax, if they have anything to announce will do so a week or two after canon nikon.

I think the last big canon announcement was the 70d a month or so ago so canon still has time to release something else before xmas. Same with nikon.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
You are right (sort of). Throwing out Canon sensors as "behind the times." Shooting at equivalent isos, the D800 has one stop better dynamic range. The issue is that K5 has iso 80 available, while base iso for the D800 is 100.
Looking at the graphs at dxo, there is a stop difference.
Btw, claimed iso 100 is measured 74 on D800 compared with 80/68 for the K-5II. Not much difference
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