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09-08-2013, 04:35 AM   #451
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QuoteOriginally posted by Andi Lo Quote
That Canon and Nikon make totally crap entry level bodies is not true imo. Pentax is usually better value, and the Canikon is crippled in some ways, but Pentax isn't free of this either. Remember lack of focus points in K-x? I do agree that pentax always tries not to cripple the user when it's not necessary though, The hardware provided almost always seem to be utilized to its full potential, unlike with Nikon (that I know firsthand anyway).

Limited line is pentax's jewel and for the most part have no equivalent in canikon, but the reverse is true as well. Does Pentax have Canon's 17mm TS? Nikon 14-24/2.8? Nikon 105/135mm DC? An affordable 85mm/1.8 with SDM?
Yeah I remember the kx's lack of focus points, I loved mine! Taught me to use my eye to see what was in focus. Though made me stuff up a 'just press click' shot setup through a 5d mkII at a wedding. The AF chose a zone that made me put that on the subject instead of framing correctly. Yeah thats easy enough to fix if you know the camera though...

The lens stuff is true too, canikon does have some exotic stuff. But its also extremely expensive(and specialized ala t/s), and occasionally not that good (DC/Plastic primes). Good areas for third party imo! My $300 85 1.4 goes great. Most reliable focussing I've used

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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Certainly not but ... The closest 'pro' Pentax ever had were 67 and 645 lines medium format film cameras as well as LX/MX system.

More recently 645D is to be seen as a Pro line indeed, in the traditional Pentax way, not in the Canikon way.
Ahh yeah, forgot about the 645D. Ironically Pentax went the other way, leveraging their aps-c tech and making a comfortable and affordable MF solution. That they have a brilliant history of. I'm looking for a nice 6x7 as my next camera!
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QuoteOriginally posted by bibz Quote
Yeah I remember the kx's lack of focus points, I loved mine! Taught me to use my eye to see what was in focus. Though made me stuff up a 'just press click' shot setup through a 5d mkII at a wedding. The AF chose a zone that made me put that on the subject instead of framing correctly. Yeah thats easy enough to fix if you know the camera though...

The lens stuff is true too, canikon does have some exotic stuff. But its also extremely expensive(and specialized ala t/s), and occasionally not that good (DC/Plastic primes). Good areas for third party imo! My $300 85 1.4 goes great. Most reliable focussing I've used
Just to note when I mention the Nikon 105/135 DC I meant defocus control (ie it can control bokeh, and not the vaseline effect), and they are AF to boot.. Pretty awesome stuff for certain uses, and its actually quite affordable. Like you said they do have some pretty underwhelming stuff build quality wise like the cheap Canon primes; Pentax isn't free of this either though (DA 50/1.8 and 35/2.4). I still dont get why the DA 35 doesnt open to f/2 other than to prevent cannibalization of DA 35/2.8, the lens looks almost exactly the same as FA 35.

In canonikon land third party seem to compete in more price and not in performance (there are exceptions though like some Sigma lenses, and Tamron that makes really lightweight no-frills equivalents)

To go back to the topicccccc I'm looking forward to the new body and hope that it's one step forward for Pentax to regain their mojo. I hope it will be a true D300 / 7D class body with AF to match.

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Ah, yes, the topic. A new body would be great. Maybe it could even make a few people around here sleep easier... For me, though, I can't really think of anything that could make me replace my K-5. It's just too good for that.

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all I need in a new body is a better LCD screen, one on par with the EM5/D800 at minimum. I've grown to like tilty screens, as long as it doesn't add unnecessary bulk, but its not a major feature. But, a faster buffer/processor for me is top priority, compared to the cameras mentioned earlier the K5 is incredibly laggy to review photos or clear the buffer... I need this updated. FPS should be the same or faster. And MP count around 20-24 would be nice, just so I have more freedom to crop if needed.

and of course keep all the usual K5 feature set...

but one thing, one thing, I would love love love, but I'm not expecting, is a 1/250 max flash sync speed or higher.
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Just give me a K-5 derivative with an updated sensor with better ISO and Dr handling (big ask I know) and I'll be a happy camper . I'm saying this as a Pentax K mount supporter and fan who is fairly seriously locked in with my lens selection which includes all of the FA Limiteds, the DA35 limited, as Zeiss 50 macro, a Voightlander 90mm APO and a couple of K's...
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QuoteOriginally posted by robbiec Quote
Just give me a K-5 derivative with an updated sensor with better ISO and Dr handling (big ask I know) and I'll be a happy camper . I'm saying this as a Pentax K mount supporter and fan who is fairly seriously locked in with my lens selection which includes all of the FA Limiteds, the DA35 limited, as Zeiss 50 macro, a Voightlander 90mm APO and a couple of K's...
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So, are you a Pentax supporter or are you just locked in? Because being both would indicate a case of Stockholm syndrome or "golden handcuffs", as they call it.

Being locked in is easily solved, just select your least used lens, sell it, and repeat untill you have a very portable kit. If you have a camera with three lenses for it, it suddenly becomes very justifyable to add another system. (...And cherry-pick the best lenses of that second system as well.) At that point, you no longer really care if one of the systems goes down, or doesn't update their tech as much as the other.

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So, are you a Pentax supporter or are you just locked in? Because being both would indicate a case of Stockholm syndrome or "golden handcuffs", as they call it.
You're missing a few alternatives here. A lot of us don't devote a lot of time to brand. Why would anyone be a supporter of a company, that basically wants as much of your money as it can pry from you? Locked in? please... what a bad analogy. Comparing people who have been kidnapped against their will to people who use a particular brand of camera is completely out of line. People buy into Pentax freely, and they can leave whenever they want. The analogy is as insulting as it is meaningless. Like saying someone has been brainwashed. It assume, that there is a value to be gained in changing brands that will be worth the effort and research involved. When in fact it's just as likely that the research is a waste of time, you're going to be happy with any major brand, and your research is just time wasted comparing roughly equal products.

Perhaps selling all your stuff and buying similar stuff from a different company is a waste of time and won't advance your photography one iota. I don't care what you do, or how you choose to spend your time, but claiming people who don't do what you do are victims of stockholm system is a little over the top. YOu need to say what you mean without resorting to vicious cliches.

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so here is the question. How sure are we that a new camera is coming in a few weeks time?

I got a few dollars put aside for lens purchases I would rather put towards a new body, but with the rumor mill being the usual, I keep holding off on getting the lenses. I for some strange reason want to be a first adopter... I am taking a portion of that saved money this Friday to pickup a Q7.... but I was also thinking of grabbing a pair of DA Limiteds at the reduced pricing before the HD's show up (the 35mm and 15mm specifically), and was also going to grab a Go Pro3 Black. But if a new body is coming out.... I'll hold off on the lenses....
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so here is the question. How sure are we that a new camera is coming in a few weeks time?
Heh. Anyone who knows won't say anything and anyone who says doesn't know anything.
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Heh. Anyone who knows won't say anything and anyone who says doesn't know anything.
Exactly.... so go for the lenses I think I might. the question is... Q7, DA 15, DA 35, Go Pro Hero 3.... or Q7 & DA*60-250?
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I have no interest in adding a second system. I often carry two bodies and absolutely require them to be able fill in for one another.

I'm very happy with my Pentax system. All I'm missing right now is an SDM capable 1.4X TC for my DA*300mm. I could sell all my Pentax gear and change to Nikon or Canon, but that seems like overkill, especially with the 1.4X back on the roadmap. Aside from the missing TC, I still believe that Pentax is the best overall choice for me. I am very much looking forward to the new APS-C flagship body. I would take this ahead of a FF body, even at the same price.
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K5IIs on deal, sell the K5, package 1. Do you really need the extra 50 vs. the D800 / 80~200?

But what do I know? You have a rational kit. I have irrational impulse buys .
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You're missing a few alternatives here. A lot of us don't devote a lot of time to brand. Why would anyone be a supporter of a company, that basically wants as much of your money as it can pry from you? Locked in? please... what a bad analogy. Comparing people who have been kidnapped against their will to people who use a particular brand of camera is completely out of line. People buy into Pentax freely, and they can leave whenever they want. The analogy is as insulting as it is meaningless. Like saying someone has been brainwashed. It assume, that there is a value to be gained in changing brands that will be worth the effort and research involved. When in fact it's just as likely that the research is a waste of time, you're going to be happy with any major brand, and your research is just time wasted comparing roughly equal products.

Perhaps selling all your stuff and buying similar stuff from a different company is a waste of time and won't advance your photography one iota. I don't care what you do, or how you choose to spend your time, but claiming people who don't do what you do are victims of stockholm system is a little over the top. YOu need to say what you mean without resorting to vicious cliches.
Please do remember that I was responding to somebody admitting to be very well locked into the Pentax system due to his collection of K-mount lenses.

Maybe Stockholm Syndrome is over the top, true... Maybe drug addiction is a better analogy? An addict makes a consious decision when taking the first dosages too. But sooner or later, they're unable to back out. And yes, some people have so many gear from just one single brand that it makes the assignment of switching or adding systems become unimaginably huge, costly and unjustifyable. There's plenty around here in PF.

If not for users being locked in due to mount incompatibility, users would have just mounted their FA ltds on any other brand that provided what they wanted ages ago. Nobody here would be crying out for new or other gear as they are doing now.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
K5IIs on deal, sell the K5, package 1. Do you really need the extra 50 vs. the D800 / 80~200?

But what do I know? You have a rational kit. I have irrational impulse buys .

so do I with the irrational buys... now you got me thinking about my Nikon kit... sell the Zeiss and 80-200 and buy the 70-200 VRII?
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