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09-14-2013, 12:27 PM   #526
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I just want to remind everyone that the "pentax is doomed" talk is as old as the brand itself I've heard the same story repeated over the years and despite that, Pentax is still making things today. If you enjoy those sort of thing you should go read RH's blog. It's actually quite entertaining

Of course this is not saying that Pentax will never fold, or that there is no way for the brand to improve (if they want to be #3 they have to work at it)

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By implication that should tell us they know what they need to work on and why they say they want to be an alternative to CaniKon, not another CaNikon.
I agree, the current pentax offering is different from any other APSC brand, and in a very good way.

Pentax have never really tried to sell us on old lenses, perhaps because they want us to buy new glass, but maybe that's one thing that they can try to sell? They're one of the only two brands with shake reduction for old glass after all.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Andi Lo Quote
I just want to remind everyone that the "pentax is doomed" talk is as old as the brand itself I've heard the same story repeated over the years and despite that, Pentax is still making things today.
Especially in the late 90's - early 2000's, the plastic FA's! OTOH, I finally got an MZ-S - same period as the plastic FA's - and I think that fabulous camera will actually work for me!
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Pentax have never really tried to sell us on old lenses, perhaps because they want us to buy new glass, but maybe that's one thing that they can try to sell? They're one of the only two brands with shake reduction for old glass after all.
I've had a real problem with deteriorating vision the last few years and APSc viewfinders aren't working well. I've tried all kinds of legacy film cameras just to keep my hand in but focusing and the border information has still been a chore. Manually focusing legacy lenses works well on the K-01 and converted Q though.

And in a really strange twist, I'm back-converting the F's and FA's I bought new with my K10D and used on eBay to the "modern" film camera
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I just want to remind everyone that the "pentax is doomed" talk is as old as the brand itself I've heard the same story repeated over the years and despite that, Pentax is still making things today...
If any other company did what Pentax did throughout history, they'd go out of business. But, as with the help of some magic, that name still sticks around. Because of its users and their high hopes. The most valuable asset of the Pentax brand aren't patents, but its users.

However, I'd love, absolutely love that old Pentax dies, now and forever. Old Pentax ways, I mean.

Let's observe it: if I were Ricoh, and my good reputation, long terms plans I have and excitement I see in making things others haven't dreamt about are the stakes, then what is presented as the next Pentax product cannot be a flop.It mustn't be a flop. Not a semi-finished product that catches up in 2 years, or three.

It must be so good the day it's announced it will sell itself without any sales effort. If it's an FF, the first day after the announcement will mark the 1,000,000 preorders worldwide, and will be the top ranking camera in sales in a decade — that kind of product I'd be interesting in making.

As I was grumpy too, up until the announcement of the new Fujitsu's image processor, I have then realised why the K5IIs move was necessary. And why the whole year was 'wasted', but in expectations of a chip that will ensure a quantum leap in performance. Ricoh obviously wasn't interested wasting time in a small incremental step which Nikon did with their D7100, and further locked it in the market for 2 years. Only now I can see that, because that piece of the puzzle was hidden.

Ricoh now has a chance to come up with a range of all new, fresh products and not be burdened with tons of old tech they must fire-sale like all other players will. They'll be ready for the imaging challenge of the next few years. Optimistically, but still cautiously, I see the 2014 a year of Ricoh .. of people who worked for Asahi, for Hoya, for Ricoh, new members, and all the brains employed to work on Pentax products .. that are better than anything we've seen coming under the name of Pentax ever before.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
If any other company did what Pentax did throughout history, they'd go out of business. But, as with the help of some magic, that name still sticks around. Because of its users and their high hopes. The most valuable asset of the Pentax brand aren't patents, but its users.

However, I'd love, absolutely love that old Pentax dies, now and forever. Old Pentax ways, I mean.

Let's observe it: if I were Ricoh, and my good reputation, long terms plans I have and excitement I see in making things others haven't dreamt about are the stakes, then what is presented as the next Pentax product cannot be a flop.It mustn't be a flop. Not a semi-finished product that catches up in 2 years, or three.

It must be so good the day it's announced it will sell itself without any sales effort. If it's an FF, the first day after the announcement will mark the 1,000,000 preorders worldwide, and will be the top ranking camera in sales in a decade that kind of product I'd be interesting in making.

As I was grumpy too, up until the announcement of the new Fujitsu's image processor, I have then realised why the K5IIs move was necessary. And why the whole year was 'wasted', but in expectations of a chip that will ensure a quantum leap in performance. Ricoh obviously wasn't interested wasting time in a small incremental step which Nikon did with their D7100, and further locked it in the market for 2 years. Only now I can see that, because that piece of the puzzle was hidden.

Ricoh now has a chance to come up with a range of all new, fresh products and not be burdened with tons of old tech they must fire-sale like all other players will. They'll be ready for the imaging challenge of the next few years. Optimistically, but still cautiously, I see the 2014 a year of Ricoh .. of people who worked for Asahi, for Hoya, for Ricoh, new members, and all the brains employed to work on Pentax products .. that are better than anything we've seen coming under the name of Pentax ever before.
I really hope that you're right because it would be glorious!

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Any idea of when the next camera show is? Been waiting ages for a full frame or upgrade to the K-5 and about to get a Canon 6D for night photography if nothing happens soon....I still love the K-5 for landscapes but really need something with better high ISO performance for night photography...I think the highest ISO for acceptable noise in the K-5 is around 1600, the 6D at around 6400 and maybe even up to 12800?

And am I right in saying most cameras will be announced in September or October at the latest? I don't think they always need to announce them at shows right?
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QuoteOriginally posted by catastrophe Quote
Any idea of when the next camera show is? Been waiting ages for a full frame or upgrade to the K-5 and about to get a Canon 6D for night photography if nothing happens soon....I still love the K-5 for landscapes but really need something with better high ISO performance for night photography...I think the highest ISO for acceptable noise in the K-5 is around 1600, the 6D at around 6400 and maybe even up to 12800?

And am I right in saying most cameras will be announced in September or October at the latest? I don't think they always need to announce them at shows right?
I don't know about the camera shows, but I've used the K-5II at ISO 6400 and even higher when it's become necessary, and never really had a problem with the noise. (granted, there definitely is some, but I wouldn't call it "unacceptable")
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QuoteOriginally posted by catastrophe Quote
Any idea of when the next camera show is? Been waiting ages for a full frame or upgrade to the K-5 and about to get a Canon 6D for night photography if nothing happens soon....I still love the K-5 for landscapes but really need something with better high ISO performance for night photography...I think the highest ISO for acceptable noise in the K-5 is around 1600, the 6D at around 6400 and maybe even up to 12800?

And am I right in saying most cameras will be announced in September or October at the latest? I don't think they always need to announce them at shows right?
This is what I want to know. I've been following this thread for some time hoping to catch a glimpse of whats coming.

I'd been a Nikon person, but the last few years had been using point and shoot cameras since going digital, and my last "real" camera was a film SLR. I was going to upgrade to a DSLR and was most likely going to go Canon or Nikon but was given a Pentax *ist D. Yes its old as dirt but still takes some pretty darn good pictures (when I pay attention to what I'm doing). I've bought several Pentax lenses now so looks like I'll stay with Pentax...Yes I know I could sell off what I have and switch back but.... it would cost me more to do that and I'm happy with the performance of the 10 year old camera I have. I'm cool becoming a Pentaxian.

My wish list is simple. I'm a hobbyist not a pro so the only thing I really want for my upgrade is an articulating screen on the back because I'm old and out of shape and can't get down on the ground for low level "creative" shots. Well... thats not totally true.... I can get down on the ground I just can't get back up again. I was going to go ahead and get a K30, but if theres a chance of an articulating screen coming up soon.... I'd rather wait.
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QuoteOriginally posted by penguinsoda Quote
.. I've been following this thread for some time hoping to catch a glimpse of whats coming. ...
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One thing I know could be exciting news for some around here is the new 18-X0/2.8 lens that is coming.



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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
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One thing I know could be exciting news for some around here is the new 18-X0/2.8 lens that is coming.
Would be much more excited if there was a D-FA* 50mm F/1.2 on the map.
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Still showing two different road maps on Japan version Vs English

Std disclaimer at bottom of chart should read -

* Road map may vary in response to if we really give a rats about the information situation today ......
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
One thing I know could be exciting news for some around here is the new 18-X0/2.8 lens that is coming.
It starts at 18mm ? OK half the forum will say P... OK I'll shut up

Good news IMO, it'd better not be 50mm on the tele side. Let's say 70mm. right?
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It starts at 18mm ? OK half the forum will say P... OK I'll shut up

Good news IMO, it'd better not be 50mm on the tele side. Let's say 70mm. right?
What about 15-77 start at the widest Ltd lens and end at the longest Ltd....

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70mm it is.
18-70/2.8, but don't spread it around .. yet.

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70mm it is.
18-70/2.8, but don't spread it around .. yet.
Yessss
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Closest equivalent is Canon 24-105/f4, I think.
However, I believe Ricoh has widened the lower end to 27mm, rather than going all the way down to 24mm, to avoid problems Canon's lens has with distortions, vignetting, etc. I think it will be rather a chunk of a lens too — and most likely above $1K.
But let's wait and see.

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