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09-14-2013, 11:29 PM   #541
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
Closest equivalent is Canon 24-105/f4, I think.
However, I believe Ricoh has widened the lower end to 27mm, rather than going all the way down to 24mm, to avoid problems Canon's lens has with distortions, vignetting, etc. I think it will be rather a chunk of a lens too and most likely above $1K.
But let's wait and see.
Above 1K for sure and they'll all whine because it is expensive

Excellent news IMO

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QuoteOriginally posted by SideRaptor Quote
I don't know about the camera shows, but I've used the K-5II at ISO 6400 and even higher when it's become necessary, and never really had a problem with the noise. (granted, there definitely is some, but I wouldn't call it "unacceptable")
I partially agree. It depends on your output

I often use my K5 in theaters and at 6400 ISO.
I do noise reduction with Lightroom / Nik and I also tried Capture One.
The result is OK, but when I print them at A2 format and I compare them to the result of some other camera's (of some colleagues, same conditions, same development) the K5 isn't good enough.
I am also waiting (too long) for a new Pentax camera, and now the new theater season is starting again, I'll have to decide and go for a new Pentax??? or 6D or D600.
I still hope Pentax soon comes with a new camera (it's OK if it's APS-C) with higher resolution, better high ISO performance, wi-fi and ...................tethering (please, please).
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Well, I'll wait until end of the year and see if something comes up because I need the high ISO performance for astrophotography and aurora early next year...Otherwise I'll get a 6D and K-5 as my second camera. For normal shooting and especially hiking, I prefer the K-5 due to the size and weight, and most importantly, the dynamic range
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QuoteOriginally posted by wigelII Quote
when I print them at A2 format
Printing ISO 6400 images, shot in a dark theatre, at A2 format .... hmmm. You standards are very high. Perhaps unreasonably so for almost any modern digital camera. A2 is huge.

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K-5 is good at high iso but it is not a full frame. Want to shoot at iso 6400 in theaters? Get a D4
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
Let's observe it: if I were Ricoh, and my good reputation, long terms plans I have and excitement I see in making things others haven't dreamt about are the stakes, then what is presented as the next Pentax product cannot be a flop.It mustn't be a flop. Not a semi-finished product that catches up in 2 years, or three. It must be so good the day it's announced it will sell itself without any sales effort.

If it's an FF, the first day after the announcement will mark the 1,000,000 preorders worldwide, and will be the top ranking camera in sales in a decade — that kind of product I'd be interesting in making.
I'm sure that would make everyone happy - but you do understand that is precisely the old Pentax, Right?

Get nothing right for years - nothing! - than toss up a glorious Hail Mary Pass product that will SAVE THE COMPANY, that really is sublime, something sweet and new, something for all the reviewers to write about. PENTAX IS BACK!! Then fail to execute. A living corporate example of Fear of Success.

If Ricoh really is different it will be different. Very Very good new product, iteratively and constantly improved, constant small marketing, something new every month, in the news every week, solid, dependable, no surprises, no disappointments, good service, good warranties, for now a little more consumer-oriented than we would like, for now no pretense about semi-professional stuff in K-mount (see 645).

In short, an alternative to CaNikon, not another CaNikon.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
I'm sure that would make everyone happy - but you do understand that is precisely the old Pentax, Right?

Get nothing right for years - nothing! - than toss up a glorious Hail Mary Pass product that will SAVE THE COMPANY, that really is sublime, something sweet and new, something for all the reviewers to write about. PENTAX IS BACK!! Then fail to execute. A living corporate example of Fear of Success.
Pentax history goes in cycles, but one cycle coincides with the late 2013/early 2014 announcements, the coming of a new image processor, etc. It just happened to be like that.
So if a product or two are revealed, I suspect they'll be nothing but well polished up if Ricoh really took care.
I don't think it will be Hail Mary pass, because not a single shot can save any company only a single minded long term goal.
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Actually, I'd say a product like that would be an extreme 7D (Minolta's). Give your all making it, hope to sell a million of them, reality kicks in, dream crushed, company in big trouble.
Making a "killer product" is not an option, it won't bring as many sales as to compensate for the effort (a large part of which being catching up with the competitor's higher end technologies), and would be followed by disappointment if they can't follow up. A constant stream of competent products, though much less spectacular, can IMO bring them to the desired #3 position.
And a first step is to build the machinery required to make it work (K-500&K-50, anyone?). There are 2 problems to solve: volume, and having a product "ecosystem" - with technology "migrating" from high-end to low-end models.

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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
K-5 is good at high iso but it is not a full frame. Want to shoot at iso 6400 in theaters? Get a D4
OK. You pay.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
Printing ISO 6400 images, shot in a dark theatre, at A2 format .... hmmm. You standards are very high. Perhaps unreasonably so for almost any modern digital camera. A2 is huge.
I know. I expect too much.
But I mostly make prints of A3+ or A2 format and I am always surprised about the quality I can get from a APS-C format sensor. As long as you don't see it side to side with a print of a bigger sensor camera it's OK.

(and you should see people's reaction when they see a nicely printed A2 Fine Art Print. They can't believe what they see).
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QuoteOriginally posted by wigelII Quote
I know. I expect too much.
But I mostly make prints of A3+ or A2 format and I am always surprised about the quality I can get from a APS-C format sensor. As long as you don't see it side to side with a print of a bigger sensor camera it's OK.

(and you should see people's reaction when they see a nicely printed A2 Fine Art Print. They can't believe what they see).
One of key points Olympus wanted to show in the show in Melbourne, was how well the E-M1 goes against the FF camera. Photographers were invited to test both cameras on the spot, using professional studio lighting and professional models, and print results on an A2 and even larger. There was no way to judge which one was which.
I'll say again, it was pity that people representing Ricoh didn't do the same to demonstrate K5II and DA HD Ltds.
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QuoteOriginally posted by wigelII Quote
I partially agree. It depends on your output

I often use my K5 in theaters and at 6400 ISO.
I do noise reduction with Lightroom / Nik and I also tried Capture One.
The result is OK, but when I print them at A2 format and I compare them to the result of some other camera's (of some colleagues, same conditions, same development) the K5 isn't good enough.
I am also waiting (too long) for a new Pentax camera, and now the new theater season is starting again, I'll have to decide and go for a new Pentax??? or 6D or D600.
I still hope Pentax soon comes with a new camera (it's OK if it's APS-C) with higher resolution, better high ISO performance, wi-fi and ...................tethering (please, please).
If you can, i'd wait till Sony reveals their new Nex FF in a coupla weeks. Not sure when we'll see Pentax announcements, but the Sony announcements are being repeated in enough different places - that it looks certain.
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QuoteOriginally posted by GordonZA Quote
Poetry??
Pseudo-scripture I would say, and to it I also add an Amen.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
One of key points Olympus wanted to show in the show in Melbourne, was how well the E-M1 goes against the FF camera. Photographers were invited to test both cameras on the spot, using professional studio lighting and professional models, and print results on an A2 and even larger. There was no way to judge which one was which.
I'll say again, it was pity that people representing Ricoh didn't do the same to demonstrate K5II and DA HD Ltds.
Not surprising. Probably almost any higher end body would do fine in those conditions, or the differences would be minor. I'd try for something a bit different. Long lens, low light where you crop at least half. Then compare. Any advances made since maybe 5 years in digital cameras have been nibbling away at the edges, making it possible to get good shots where previous versions just couldn't. How about shutting the lights off in that studio then doing the shoot?
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QuoteOriginally posted by catastrophe Quote
Well, I'll wait until end of the year and see if something comes up because I need the high ISO performance for astrophotography and aurora early next year...Otherwise I'll get a 6D and K-5 as my second camera. For normal shooting and especially hiking, I prefer the K-5 due to the size and weight, and most importantly, the dynamic range
I'm kind of considering the same route... keeping my k-30 and a few lenses for a back up and buying Nikon ff. But, but, but I LOVE my 77mm for portraits. This is hard...
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