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09-16-2013, 08:49 PM   #601
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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
There aren't many inexperienced buyers shelling out $1700 for a camera and lens. At least I hope not.
Just got back from a week at Yellowstone. Saw quite a number of brand new (strap still shiny with creases in it) D800's and D600's along with quite a few Canon 5DmkIII's proudly carried by parents shooting pictures of little jimmy and ginny. So, yeah there are quite a few people who when they want a camera they buy the best, and that often means "whichever one costs the most" cause they don't have a clue. I'm not saying these folks were inexperienced, just that for what they were doing a good P&S or bridge camera or a M4/3 would have done just as well and been a lot less work to haul around.

Also saw plenty of pros (or enthusiasts) at sites with wildlife. Easily spotted by having a Nikon 800mm and a sherpa . At one spot where a wolf was rumored to be feeding I estimate there was over $100,000 of camera equipment setup along the road. And I think that is a VERY conservative estimate.

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QuoteOriginally posted by penguinsoda Quote
Oh bother.... Well.... guess I'll just have to keep laying on the ground for low level shots and making a fool of myself trying to get back up again... or keep taking faith pictures... aim the camera where I think I want since I can't see through the viewfinder/screen and have faith that I'll get something I can at least salvage in post... at least for a while... Since I don't care about FF at my level of expertise.
Since you write "viewfinder" i assume you use a DSLR....you do know that you can use one of these, right?
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
Just got back from a week at Yellowstone. Saw quite a number of brand new (strap still shiny with creases in it) D800's and D600's along with quite a few Canon 5DmkIII's proudly carried by parents shooting pictures of little jimmy and ginny. So, yeah there are quite a few people who when they want a camera they buy the best, and that often means "whichever one costs the most" cause they don't have a clue.
Wow...must have been quite a sight with all Leica and Hassys in Yellowstone, then? (In comparison, D6/800 look almost cheap )
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No hassys but I did see two Leicas. No idea which ones but they looked small. Like a p&s.

Also saw two pentax i think k200d`s, a k-5, a k-7 and a k-x.

The fellow with the k-7 had it on a tripod with a new looking bigma. I asked if it was a k-5 just to start a conversation. He replied "i guess, i don`t really know". When i pointed out it was a k-7 he said "oh yeah i used to have a k-5 but i replaced it with this one when it came out". I moved on with a sigh...

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When i pointed out it was a k-7 he said "oh yeah i used to have a k-5 but i replaced it with this one when it came out".
Some people fail to realise that when it comes to camera model numbering, less is more!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Quote
Some people fail to realise that when it comes to camera model numbering, less is more!
Indeed. I am very pleased that I have the ultimate top-of-the-line Pentax camera there is, and that can ever be, the K-01

Coming from Olympus to Pentax with the MZ-S, I'm still struggling to figure out how the LX and K2 relate, and to an MV1 and a MX.....not to mention the KX vs the K-x......
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QuoteOriginally posted by tclausen Quote
Since you write "viewfinder" i assume you use a DSLR....you do know that you can use one of these, right?
You know I was looking at those on eBay one day. I wasn't sure how well they worked but they are cheap enough, so I may just go ahead and get one and give it a try!
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You know I was looking at those on eBay one day. I wasn't sure how well they worked but they are cheap enough, so I may just go ahead and get one and give it a try!
I do not know that specific brand, I confess, but I have and use both an (older than dirt) Olympus OM right-angle-viewfinder, and a (more recent) Pentax branded one, and it is really a nice piece of accessory.

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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
Just got back from a week at Yellowstone. Saw quite a number of brand new (strap still shiny with creases in it) D800's and D600's along with quite a few Canon 5DmkIII's proudly carried by parents shooting pictures of little jimmy and ginny. So, yeah there are quite a few people who when they want a camera they buy the best, and that often means "whichever one costs the most" cause they don't have a clue. I'm not saying these folks were inexperienced, just that for what they were doing a good P&S or bridge camera or a M4/3 would have done just as well and been a lot less work to haul around.

Also saw plenty of pros (or enthusiasts) at sites with wildlife. Easily spotted by having a Nikon 800mm and a sherpa . At one spot where a wolf was rumored to be feeding I estimate there was over $100,000 of camera equipment setup along the road. And I think that is a VERY conservative estimate.
I doubt those people you saw went to Yellowstone just so they could take pictures of their kids. Do you think maybe they used FF DSLRs to take those pictures because it happened to be what they were carrying? I know if I'm on a vacation using my DSLR, I don't put it away and pull out my iPhone to snap a picture of my wife or whomever.
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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
I doubt those people you saw went to Yellowstone just so they could take pictures of their kids. Do you think maybe they used FF DSLRs to take those pictures because it happened to be what they were carrying? I know if I'm on a vacation using my DSLR, I don't put it away and pull out my iPhone to snap a picture of my wife or whomever.
In my office, the younger executives regularly comment that they purchased the best camera and lenses (or whatever else) because, well, "We want to record these moments. They're our children and we'll never have these moments again." To their credit, many of them have shown me quite stunning photographs, well beyond mere snapshots.

It is a generational thing, and it is very real. Especially among the young families who have the cash to visit Yellowstone or Yosemite as a family experience for their pre-teens - which, in fact, they do actually do.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
In my office, the younger executives regularly comment that they purchased the best camera and lenses (or whatever else) because, well, "We want to record these moments. They're our children and we'll never have these moments again." To their credit, many of them have shown me quite stunning photographs, well beyond mere snapshots.
Spot on. Wanting to take better pictures of my newborn daughter was exactly what triggered me to upgrade to a DSLR in the first place. It's a salesperson in a b&m store that was quite enthusiastic about Pentax who steered me to the K10D back then. He boasted it was the very best I could get with my budget at that time. And he was correct.
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Would half an inch taller so I could hold it comfortably without the grip count as "screwing with" the design"? I'm tired of of choosing between getting cramps in my hand or my wrist/forearm.
Without the grip?! I can only think of one thing that fits better in my hand.
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Looking at the number of people in the market place dumping their whole Pentax kit... and really good quality stuff, I'm guessing if Pentax doesn't come out with something impressive before Christmas, they may end up dead in the water. These guys that have laid out thousands for lenses are not the guys you want migrating. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dumping my gear, but I'm in a niche. I'm not sure Pentax can make a living on guys like me. At this point, I see myself 5 years down the road as one of those guys now shooting with the original 5D. My k-5 will still do what it does now... and that will still be fine...but there's no buz around Pentax. I'm asking myself, the K-5 was at one time the best APS-c in the business, but now easily surpassed in many ways by the D7100. Some guys who shoot much the same way I do have already migrated to the D7100 for more resolution and faster AF. Hoya, bought Pentax, inflated their worth by cutting research and maximizing sales, probably knowing full well that creating a black column on the ledger sheet was temporary. Ricoh, probably paid too much for the company based on the inflated ledger balance, and found they had a company with inventory but no R&D, compared to the big boys. I'm using 2 k-5s, and the K-5 II cameras did not give me enough to want to upgrade.

It makes me wonder, what will my next camera body be? When I upgrade in a year or two will there even be a Pentax body I'm interested in? Or is it K-5 forever for my Pentax gear and I end up like the old guys with the 5Ds, shooting 5 to 7 year old gear?
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
In my office, the younger executives regularly comment that they purchased the best camera and lenses (or whatever else) because, well, "We want to record these moments. They're our children and we'll never have these moments again." To their credit, many of them have shown me quite stunning photographs, well beyond mere snapshots.

It is a generational thing, and it is very real. Especially among the young families who have the cash to visit Yellowstone or Yosemite as a family experience for their pre-teens - which, in fact, they do actually do.
This thread is making me think the market share for FF DSLRs is going up very fast. Anyone know the last reported figure?

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This is why I'd much rather shoot with my Pentax than Nikon. The larger body size and weight of the Nikon doesn't bother me that much, but going out and about with a comprehensive kit is a different matter altogether. Nikon lenses are so bulky, I can scarcely get three in my camera bag, whereas, I can carry six or, at a pinch, eight of my Pentax lenses, including the 60-250mm and the 300mm f4.
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