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09-19-2013, 12:35 PM   #691
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QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
If it's a choice between 2 cards or wi-fi it should be wi-fi.
Eye-fi would be good (enough) still.
I also think they won't use the 24Mpix sensor.
And the 20Mpix without AA filter could indeed give some exceptionnal IQ, somehow comparable with medium format in terms of resolution power, if coupled with HD Limited lens.
Plus high sensitivity performance...

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Internal memory chip of 32GB would be cool too. You'd only need one slot for back-up.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Eye-fi would be good (enough) still.
I also think they won't use the 24Mpix sensor.
And the 20Mpix without AA filter could indeed give some exceptionnal IQ, somehow comparable with medium format in terms of resolution power, if coupled with HD Limited lens.
Plus high sensitivity performance...
2 slots is great. I have a 64gb card in slot 1 on my d600 and save raw files to it, 2nd slot i have a 16gb ez-share card for jpegs (I like the ez-share card more than eye-fi - I can do all the transfers at a later time and select only the files I want to transfer, rather than everything transferring all the time).
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QuoteOriginally posted by bxf Quote
I guess I can see this too. It's just that none of the above reasons strike me as being compelling compared to some other features that could be improved. To each his/her own, I suppose.
Of course improvement of image capturing features is always the #1 priority. With that said, dual card slots on high end cameras is more the norm than not now, and all it takes is designing the space and adding some programming - its not as if the card slot itself requires R&D that would take resources away from more important things.

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I look forward to any announcements that may come from Pentax!! I am also worried that Ricoh/Pentax is suspiciously absent from PDN PhotoExpo next Month in NYC? If something is about to be released this would be the perfect platform to make that Annoucement!!!
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I wouldn't be surprised if RIAC isn't convinced the return on funds for space rental, cost of building a booth and hiring people to staff doesn't offer a positive return.compared to other things they can do with the money.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
I wouldn't be surprised if RIAC isn't convinced the return on funds for space rental, cost of building a booth and hiring people to staff doesn't offer a positive return.compared to other things they can do with the money.
Marketing is a device that turns intangibles into tangibles, and tangibles back into very important intangibles. Investing in people's mindshare during shows is the intangible asset, and important one.

It's not only the venue to show off something new, but hear first hand confessions and details from user's life with a product that no online marketing survey can obtain. Being somewhere in flesh is the psychological reassurance, and some vahie idea of the brand is then replaced with a warm and helpful person, maybe even engineer or optical specialist who works for the brand. The intangible immediately becomes tangible and personal.

It's same difference as between the real life's dependancy of real friends, and online 'Click to like me to be my new friend I've never seen in my life'.
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Whatever the H you just wrote - I think Pentax is spending the money out on the street talking to and demonstrating to real people in the flesh - rather than talking to Dealers who refuse to stock the product and Periodicals (print and digital) that refuse to review it fairly (unless Pentax waste even more money buying unseen ads in same periodicals).

As we shall soon see.


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QuoteOriginally posted by pxpaulx Quote
2 slots is great. I have a 64gb card in slot 1 on my d600 and save raw files to it, 2nd slot i have a 16gb ez-share card for jpegs (I like the ez-share card more than eye-fi - I can do all the transfers at a later time and select only the files I want to transfer, rather than everything transferring all the time).
I have 2x D800e and only ever used one card in each. IF I shot video or weddings I suppose I'd bother with a 2nd card but frankly I can't be bothered.
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Best way of marketing, for Ricoh, is to make and release kick-ass products that people want to buy, and buy over other options because their products represent some unique value and quality.

Everything is easier to organise then, and even small efforts in presenting the product to someone in person or in media yields big results. The K5 was such a product, that brought back Pentax on many enthusiast's horizon, even with no fanfare and with zero media marketing. Now everyone expects: what's next? People are giving Pentax a big chance. But they are not waiting forever.

Ricoh must stop pretending being pregnant forever. Waters must break, and something new, something good, must be born.
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I agree. I was looking to upgrade from my E420 oly, considering the E3 or E5, whatever it was at the time. The reviews said nice body, handles well, but look at the K5. Even the local camera store was enthused about it. Unfortunately the build quality sucked. Two of three hoya products that I purchased have needed warranty repair. Pretty bad for killing buzz and losing money.
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QuoteOriginally posted by derekkite Quote
I agree. I was looking to upgrade from my E420 oly, considering the E3 or E5, whatever it was at the time. The reviews said nice body, handles well, but look at the K5. Even the local camera store was enthused about it. Unfortunately the build quality sucked. Two of three hoya products that I purchased have needed warranty repair. Pretty bad for killing buzz and losing money.
Quality problems seem to me unavoidable in a consumer area where new models and technologies are created every 18 months. I remember long-time advice from Consumer Reports to never buy a new car within the first 2 model years of its introduction. The thought being that by the 3rd model year, the problems and issues would be ironed out. But in the camera world, by the 3rd model year, new models are generally created. Why? Few problems have been reported with the K5 II's and i think its due to this camera model being a slightly modified K5, for which the problems were ironed out during the first model year. I bought my K5 late in its model year and still have experienced zero problems with it - a wonderful camera.

I've never been a "first responder" or had my name on the "pre-order list" of any camera model and will leave the new models to the risk takers among us I want the drama in my pictures, not on a photography forum.
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QuoteOriginally posted by philbaum Quote
Quality problems seem to me unavoidable in a consumer area where new models and technologies are created every 18 months. I remember long-time advice from Consumer Reports to never buy a new car within the first 2 model years of its introduction. The thought being that by the 3rd model year, the problems and issues would be ironed out. But in the camera world, by the 3rd model year, new models are generally created. Why? Few problems have been reported with the K5 II's and i think its due to this camera model being a slightly modified K5, for which the problems were ironed out during the first model year. I bought my K5 late in its model year and still have experienced zero problems with it - a wonderful camera.

I've never been a "first responder" or had my name on the "pre-order list" of any camera model and will leave the new models to the risk takers among us I want the drama in my pictures, not on a photography forum.
Wise words, and what a relief! I upgraded from K20 to K5ii in June. The plan had been to wait for the expected "K3" , but on the other hand I really wanted to upgrade before summer vacation and some photo projects. Perhaps a good decision after all, although I still think I shall regret it in just a few weeks. Actually I hope I shall regret since that only means a bright future option.
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I have 2x D800e and only ever used one card in each. IF I shot video or weddings I suppose I'd bother with a 2nd card but frankly I can't be bothered.
Weddings are pretty much the only reason that I was dual card slots. I had a card fail on me once (horrible), but if I had two cards both recording the same images, I wouldn't have lost any images.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Allison Quote
Weddings are pretty much the only reason that I was dual card slots. I had a card fail on me once (horrible), but if I had two cards both recording the same images, I wouldn't have lost any images.
QuoteOriginally posted by dcshooter Quote
This is true for pretty much any kind of live event/sports/wildlife shooting in which catching ephemeral moments is the key.
If we think about it, aside from Landscape and Studio Pentax hasn't really pursued the major professional image selling markets (wedding/event/sports/wildlife) on a whole host of features ranging from flash sync through AF to shutter speed. I'm not surprised they haven't offered dual card slots either.

If they've been honest about offering a near professional level body some day (whether APSC or FF) they'll need to address a lot more than just dual cards.
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