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09-22-2013, 02:12 AM   #751
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Yelp! The D4 makes the 645 D look like a Q. I never realised it was such a behemoth.
Me too, I did not realize that D4 is so close in size. The 645D is really deep though. I wonder how much of that body depth could be shaved off by going mirrorless? Also weight would drop probably quite significantly. Body width and height can't be reduced very much, me thinks.

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Me too, I did not realize that D4 is so close in size. The 645D is really deep though. I wonder how much of that body depth could be shaved off by going mirrorless? Also weight would drop probably quite significantly. Body width and height can't be reduced very much, me thinks.
Registration distance in Pentax 645 system is around 71 mm. Plus, the MF lenses are heavier, they need a good counter balance.
It would be a shame to make 645 into a narrower and taller DSLR. Leica's S is like that, but I like handling of 645D much more.
Horses for courses.
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Yelp! The D4 makes the 645 D look like a Q. I never realised it was such a behemoth.

Canon 1DX is even larger than the D4
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Canon 1DX is even larger than the D4
i had this in my hands + 85/1.2 )

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i had this in my hands + 85/1.2 )
And now you have backproblems?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
Registration distance in Pentax 645 system is around 71 mm. Plus, the MF lenses are heavier, they need a good counter balance.
It would be a shame to make 645 into a narrower and taller DSLR. Leica's S is like that, but I like handling of 645D much more.
Horses for courses.
They could make it quite a bit less bulky by shaving off a bit on the back, though. There's a lot of space between the sensor and the LCD.
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QuoteOriginally posted by MariusCTM Quote
i had this in my hands + 85/1.2 )
Ha, I had one with the new 200-400 f/4 L. THAT was heavy.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
Registration distance in Pentax 645 system is around 71 mm. Plus, the MF lenses are heavier, they need a good counter balance.
It would be a shame to make 645 into a narrower and taller DSLR. Leica's S is like that, but I like handling of 645D much more.
Horses for courses.
There has been a lot of crazy talk about doing away with K-mount for a new mount with a shorter registration distance. As I've indicated, I think that this is not going to happen (though I've been wrong before).

Having said that, I do rather like the idea of Pentax adopting this strategy in the MF space. Develop a new, short mount suitable for mirrorless MF, with 645-compatibility via an adaptor. This would allow for the creation of something rather like Leica's S2, ideally at a price that would tempt FF shooters to upgrade.

As for those handling issues you've mentioned, I'm sure that they could be dealt with via some thoughtful design (such as a deep grip and a rearward weight bias in the body).

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QuoteOriginally posted by asw66 Quote
This would allow for the creation of something rather like Leica's S2, ideally at a price that would tempt FF shooters to upgrade.
Except that the S2 is much more expensive, and worse handling
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So you think the K-3 (ASP-C) is the only camera coming this year or are we going to be surprised with the K-1 (FF) also?
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No full frame yet but a K-3 (20 or 24mp) and K-5 III en IIIs (with the old 16mp sensor but improved AF and a new image processor)
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Hmm. If that is the case, I would have thought the K5III would be in the $1300 range with something more expensive and higher end. Interesting.
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Hmm. If that is the case, I would have thought the K5III would be in the $1300 range with something more expensive and higher end. Interesting.
I think that there is gap between $750 and $1300, and is barely addressed. A camera that sits at comfortable $900 is needed, and yes, it may have a 20MP sensor. I really hope Ricoh will expand the K-mount offer (I hope they want more lenses sold?), because two basically same bodies priced low, and just one priced high, aren't anything new — in fact, it's the continuation of the old Pentax paradigm.

And I expect Ricoh to add some new thinking to the game, even if it takes a slightly different form factor to spice up the K-mount offer. People need a reason to buy into better lenses, and K-3 cannot be a sole reason.
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Well i sated this already before since the EC Waterfly was in februari 2012:

So I went two weeks to the European Championship Waterfly in Eindhoven. Taken pictures 14 days, every day following 2 to 4 games. A hard learning school and I did enjoy it.

I used K-5, K-5 Silver, FA*85mm, DA40mm, DA21mm, DA15mm, DA*300mm and Sigma 70-200mm (OS version). I have three new SanDisk PRO cards 45mb/s and one older 32 GB classe 10 and 16 GB classe 6 card. Took a laptop to use in the mediacentre. Used a monopod and a Metz flash.

I took thousends of pictures during that time. There are some real fantastic pictures with it. Learnd a lot from some of the pro-shooters there (1D Mark IV, 5D Mark II, 7D, D300s, D3, D3s and loads of pro-lenses up to 400mm/f2.8). There where a few with transmitters to send their images to their laptops standing next to the pool. I spend time waiting for my camera to be ready with processing and storing files while next to me someone is standing reviewing the same pictures and selecting and deleting. Time I could not spend on my pictures. I'm talking about 8 hours or so during those two weeks. The K-5 is a slow camera in that way.

So what do I want?

I want better image quality then K-5 offers at hi iso-settings to meet magazine printing quality. So I guess I want APS-H or Full Frame. For newspaper it is fine as K-5 is, but the future is demanding more.
I want faster processing in the camera and up to UHS-I speed of writing to cards to stop loosing so much time on waiting for my camera to be ready.
I want a smarter and faster AF system. I want lenses that are faster in focussing to work with that new AF-system.
I want a second cardslot in my camera. To make RAW and jpg.
I want to have a sort of transmitting of images to my laptop. I want to have an option to mark good pictures so I can find them back faster then now.
I want a DA*400mm/f4 or a DA*135-270mm/f2.8 with a DA*1.4x TC.
I would like to have the option to change to 12-bit RAW. Especially with hi iso (iso 1600 and up) to have smaller files that process faster.
I would like an integrated grip. The K-5 body is perfect otherwise. So just attache the vertical grip to it and make it one fast camera full of options.
A new and better flashsystem would be great.
In sportsphotography a shutter garanteed to use for 100k times isn't so great. So making a new one better to use for at least 200.000 actuations would be great.

From an other ways satisfight user.


It still apply's for the next generation.
I agree with you on all of these points. Oh, the integrated grip. I now am the proud owner of two grips and I just can't shoot with the K5 or the IIs without it. I love, love, love the idea of a 135-270 2.8 - such a great range for a wedding.

I know people think that a lens like that would be too heavy - and it might be for some, but it is necessary for a real pro level set up. 70-200 2.8 lenses are a Canikon standard for wedding shooters. I use my 60-250 every wedding, but I am totally open - and sometimes that is a push!

I really do believe that Ricoh hears us with our desires for an upgrade and I appreciate that they are taking the time to do it right. I just think it could be a bad move to release a FF camera without your own lenses to support it. If they released FF by Christmas (this year), then many would find themselves buying 3rd party to have zooms to use with it - and from a business standpoint, that just doesn't make much sense. I have to be optimistic that part of why they aren't releasing the camera yet is because they are deciding what lenses to also release with it and they are busy getting the manufacturing in place.
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I'm waiting for a 135-400 WR to go with the next body. Heck, I want that for use with my current one!
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