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10-03-2013, 01:36 AM   #826
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QuoteOriginally posted by repaap Quote
Holy moly! That's what I mean....I thought that Pentax had a system already, just W/O digital back/camera for MF...while Canon has nothing, Zero, plans...so they have to come up with all bells and whistles...Suddenly it makes Pentax sleepers, gradually expanding with digital also. Also being most affordable MF system by the date, with possible Update behind the corner...plans, but still having one at pro/entustic shooters hands already. ! ? ! So far Canooon MF looks like pentax FF, and still Canon looks better
7000 EUR right now in brick and mortar shops (at least in Köln).

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7000 EUR right now in brick and mortar shops (at least in Köln).
And more affordable MF in digital is?

BTW, In Finland it can be had for 6995€, with D-FA 55 lens. 6000, body only.
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QuoteOriginally posted by repaap Quote
And more affordable MF in digital is?

BTW, In Finland it can be had for 6995€, with D-FA 55 lens. 6000, body only.
Even better

AFAIK the Pentax is the cheapest. Mamiya has low priced bodies (relatively speaking... hum) but without the back, no sensor.
B&H lists 9999 for Mamiya DM with 22MP sensor.
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Well when Canon buys PhaseOne, that isn´t turned overnight in a profatable bussiness. Canon can put their knowledge in new camera´s, but customerbase is very small and there is no crossing between the Canon-PhaseOne users and the studioshooters with 1Dx ir 5D III other then using the same proservice in the future. No lenses to share or other products.

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QuoteOriginally posted by repaap Quote
So far Canooon MF looks like pentax FF, and still Canon looks better
No, you have missed my point. If Canon comes to MF market, make sure they won't play around and waste everyone's time, but will conquer it like a storm, and connect it thoroughly with the industry-standard FF offer, which no other MF manufacturer (except niche Leica M) has or can dream about.
From day one, Canon's MF will be most likely be able to use all EOS lenses and all accessories, making a transition from FF to MF seamless for all enthusiasts, in the manner their 5D strategy (a shift from APS-C to FF) worked.
There is a good reason Canon is number 1.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
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From day one, Canon's MF will most likely be able to use all EOS lenses and all accessories, making a transition from FF to MF seamless for all enthusiasts, in the manner their 5D strategy (a shift from APS-C to FF) worked.
There is a good reason Canon is number 1.
In crop mode in any case; with their mirror locked up and in live view mode if Canon's medium format cameras are DSLRs ...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
No, you have missed my point. If Canon comes to MF market, make sure they won't play around and waste everyone's time, but will conquer it like a storm, and connect it thoroughly with the industry-standard FF offer, which no other MF manufacturer (except niche Leica M) has or can dream about.
From day one, Canon's MF will be most likely be able to use all EOS lenses and all accessories, making a transition from FF to MF seamless for all enthusiasts, in the manner their 5D strategy (a shift from APS-C to FF) worked.
There is a good reason Canon is number 1.
Aalright. I see, IfF canon will take that step, for example buying Phase one or making one of their one from scratch, I bet that they have great distribution channels and they do not hesitate to use it. I think that it would be only way for them, and agree with you on this. But there is also greater risk in this too, so we might not see that wave coming near future. An patching MF lens selection wit FF lenses....? C'om on, that does not suite to this plan at all. If they go big, it should be big.

Anyway. I think that pentax has taken wise steps and shown this far, what they wan't and need to do. Ricoh, is trying to make it more profitable, so they can improve more. It takes a lot of effort to climb up so that you have solid base.

But we all know this, and we love to have head up in the dreams, not to think much further. Atleast I like it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
No, you have missed my point. If Canon comes to MF market, make sure they won't play around and waste everyone's time, but will conquer it like a storm, and connect it thoroughly with the industry-standard FF offer, which no other MF manufacturer (except niche Leica M) has or can dream about.
From day one, Canon's MF will be most likely be able to use all EOS lenses and all accessories, making a transition from FF to MF seamless for all enthusiasts, in the manner their 5D strategy (a shift from APS-C to FF) worked.
There is a good reason Canon is number 1.
That is just so wrong on so many different levels.

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Maybe Pentax is a bit worried about rumors spreading about Canon entering the MF market and they are considering their next move more carefully.
This rumor has been around since 1989. I don't think it is credible...
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There is a good reason Canon is number 1.
One of the most important reasons for getting and being number 1 is the marketing department of Canon
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And it works; for example, convincing Pentaxians that Pentax don't stand a chance, because there is an unsubstantiated rumor that Canon might enter the DMF market.
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Good salesman can tell to YOU what you really wan't. It is so sad and funny.

I remember a while a go at one photography magasine they said for example that these new FF sensors are so and so much better, because they are that much bigger(talking about canon). And when Pentax came with DMF, they said that is is just barelly bigger than FF, so there is not so much differense...I thought that step from APS-C to FF is almost as big as FF to MF...but if it was Canon, even with similar specs, story would have gone little a bit differently. I suppose.

Now these things really are something what makes a brand, salesmen. And brand is a terrific tool for salesmen.

Have to admit that product must be good too. Let's see that canon MF then. I can't imagine that they have let me down so many years of not making that MF! Maybe next year! With great AF and burst mode. Min. 8 FPS.
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I am amused at the number of posters who show up every time Pentax has something new to release - and only then - to talk down anything and everything Pentax does, has done and is doing. It's like they don't want Pentax to succeed or something. Coincidentally, Canon always seems to be the only capable camera company building cameras, soon to consume the entire market, get into the heads of people who don't even own cameras and force them to buy, too . . .

I don't know - it's almost like these posters have an agenda or something.

Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that optimistic discussion is going on in here!
[a Dealer Rep hands Renault a pile of new peoducts]
Croupier: Your new camera, sir.
Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
[aloud]
Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
I am amused at the number of posters who show up every time Pentax has something new to release - and only then - to talk down anything and everything Pentax does, has done and is doing. It's like they don't want Pentax to succeed or something. Coincidentally, Canon always seems to be the only capable camera comapny building cameras, soon to consume the entire market, get into the heads of people who don't even own cameras and force them to buy, too . . .

I don't know - it's almost like these posters have an agenda or something.

Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that optimistic discussion is going on in here!
[a Dealer Rep hands Renault a pile of new products]
Croupier: Your new camera, sir.
Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
[aloud]
Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!
The funny thing is that I have had Canon guys almost cry when they saw what my K5 is capable of. My uncle who has a 5D MK II even said my K5 was better than his camera, couldn't believe some of my landscape stuff was not taken with a FF like his, and told my cousin that I would be a much better choice than him to shoot her wedding. Whelp, looks like I'm shooting a wedding on December 21st.
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To be frank, must say that here seems to be a lot of people, just putting others on bad mood. Not being happy about new thing. Semi tolls, now I know where it comes from. Seeing someone doing well and wan't to point their weak points to make it collapse.

Speaking about that canons new MF camera, I heard that they are going to make it mirrorless and shooting 4K video. I hope it will pan out, because it is something that I have wished for. And to knock out that Sonys new MF they shoud price it under 2500€. Launch price. It will be serious competitor for D800 too, wich is beginning to look outdated too. I just remembered that I read it from some forums, can't remember of which thou.

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