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10-04-2013, 07:02 AM   #886
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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
According to this article, lens adapters aren't the same thing as having a native mount lens:

LensRentals.com - There Is No Free Lunch, Episode 763: Lens Adapters
Sorry, I've been adapting lenses to my NEX for years now. And I've been using Pentax lenses on my 5DmkII with adapters for equally long. And even as a relentless pixelpeeper I've never noticed any of the symptoms described in that article. So either the problem doesn't exist, or it's to small for me to notice. Either way, I don't care.

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Because cutting off your existing user base from using their expensive lens collections and minimizing the number of lenses available at launch would be a GREAT strategy for launching a full frame platform...
I think Pentax needs to make a decision based on what has the most "future" for the brand. The problem, as I see it, with the current k mount, is not anything to do with electronics. It is just that it has a pretty long registration distance as compared to most of the more "modern" mounts.

Pentax certainly cannot base their decision purely based off of what would make members of the Pentax Forums happy. For one thing, we are all over the place -- some wanting k mount forever, while others want EVF, new lens mount. If Pentax would use a new lens mount, they would make an adapter which would be OK. Not perfect, but if the rest of the camera was good enough to sell well and there were good new lens options with it, it certainly could be a hit.
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Geez Uluru what's the problem with you since 2 days ago, you moan about everything....

Who said the K5-II would go away?

K500 - K50 - K5-II - K3

Seems allright to me, as long as they can keep prices sufficiently apart.
That is why the seemingly contradictory rumours of a 20 mp and 24 mp bodies make some sense. I predict we will see a K5Mk3 and a K-3 this fall. Pentax released the K50 and K500 at the same time to cover different market slices.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
Pentax certainly cannot base their decision purely based off of what would make members of the Pentax Forums happy. For one thing, we are all over the place -- some wanting k mount forever, while others want EVF, new lens mount. If Pentax would use a new lens mount, they would make an adapter which would be OK. Not perfect, but if the rest of the camera was good enough to sell well and there were good new lens options with it, it certainly could be a hit.
Based upon Ricoh Senior Management comments over the last year, I predict

Pentax (brand) will strategically retain the K-mount as the mirrored dSLR mount - their traditional system camera mount - q and 645. There will be a dSLR K-mount FF body, but not "soon" (by our definition of soon).

Ricoh (brand) will (eventually) release a FF MILC with an OLED EVF, a new, modern, electronic mount, new lenses - in short, all the "new technology" toys. The limiting factror today is EVF technology, which Ricoh believes is not yet sufficiently advanced. They believe OLED is the right technology for an EVF.

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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
LOL I know what you feel.
Usually I react a lot more heavily but since I got a mod in the face only a week or so ago, I used the handbrake
I'm supposed to be on Double-Secret Probation, but I just can't seem to go an entire day without making at lest one post.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Based upon Ricoh Senior Management comments over the last year, I predict

Pentax (brand) will strategically retain the K-mount as the mirrored dSLR mount - their traditional system camera mount - q and 645. There will be a dSLR K-mount FF body, but not "soon" (by our definition of soon).

Ricoh (brand) will (eventually) release a FF MILC with an OLED EVF, a new, modern, electronic mount, new lenses - in short, all the "new technology" toys. The limiting factror today is EVF technology, which Ricoh believes is not yet sufficiently advanced. They believe OLED is the right technology for an EVF.
I think the word "soon" for full frame has been thrown around since the *istD, just to give it a little perspective
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QuoteOriginally posted by Andi Lo Quote
I think the word "soon" for full frame has been thrown around since the *istD, just to give it a little perspective
Even before the *istD, remember the MZ-D.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Based upon Ricoh Senior Management comments over the last year, I predict

Pentax (brand) will strategically retain the K-mount as the mirrored dSLR mount - their traditional system camera mount - q and 645. There will be a dSLR K-mount FF body, but not "soon" (by our definition of soon).

Ricoh (brand) will (eventually) release a FF MILC with an OLED EVF, a new, modern, electronic mount, new lenses - in short, all the "new technology" toys. The limiting factror today is EVF technology, which Ricoh believes is not yet sufficiently advanced. They believe OLED is the right technology for an EVF.
No offense meant, but for Ricoh to talk about EVF technology being "not yet sufficiently advanced" while we are holding in our hands Nex cameras with OLED EVF, and enjoying the experience; well its good for a laugh. I just hope they have something more interesting than OLED EVF to write about in their future advertising.

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No offense meant, but for Ricoh to talk about EVF technology being "not yet sufficiently advanced" while we are holding in our hands Nex cameras with OLED EVF, and enjoying the experience; well its good for a laugh. I just hope they have something more interesting than OLED EVF to write about in their future advertising.
I merely report. Those are the words that were used last April. He said LED Evf's weren't yet up to the task. OLED might be a different story. (3rd to last paragraph)

I think we might be surprised within a week.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
I think Pentax needs to make a decision based on what has the most "future" for the brand. The problem, as I see it, with the current k mount, is not anything to do with electronics. It is just that it has a pretty long registration distance as compared to most of the more "modern" mounts.

Pentax certainly cannot base their decision purely based off of what would make members of the Pentax Forums happy. For one thing, we are all over the place -- some wanting k mount forever, while others want EVF, new lens mount. If Pentax would use a new lens mount, they would make an adapter which would be OK. Not perfect, but if the rest of the camera was good enough to sell well and there were good new lens options with it, it certainly could be a hit.
Nikon is doomed, they should change the mount asap - giving up on whatever market share they have on the DSLR market

Stop with this nonsense. There's no reason for Pentax to abandon the K-mount and the much larger DSLR market, in order to start from scratch with a new MILC system.
Those wanting to migrate to MILCs should do so, without asking for entire companies to migrate with them. There are lots of options, just choose one! Even worse, you're implying that we, those who like Pentax for what it is - a traditional SLR manufacturer - should be completely disregarded and either forced to go MILC or to jump ship. You have the guts to decide what's "OK" for me!
And your "it certainly could be a hit" is an interesting construction... certainly could be? Is it certain, is it possible or you don't know but made it up because you'd like Pentax to give up on K-mount and us?

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
I merely report. Those are the words that were used last April. He said LED Evf's weren't yet up to the task. OLED might be a different story. (3rd to last paragraph)

I think we might be surprised within a week.
I think we'll be surprised with different "goodies".
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QuoteOriginally posted by philbaum Quote
No offense meant, but for Ricoh to talk about EVF technology being "not yet sufficiently advanced" while we are holding in our hands Nex cameras with OLED EVF, and enjoying the experience; well its good for a laugh. I just hope they have something more interesting than OLED EVF to write about in their future advertising.
Another person offended by advertising? The goal of advertising is to identify your product to people who might use it. You seem to be offended that Ricoh doesn't cater to you. Well, we're glad you're happy with your NEX. Maybe you could find it somewhere in your heart to be glad most Pentax users are happy, without OLED or EVFs. Or are you saying you know what should make us happy, without regards to whether it does or not?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Stop with this nonsense. There's no reason for Pentax to abandon the K-mount and the much larger DSLR market, in order to start from scratch with a new MILC system.
Those wanting to migrate to MILCs should do so, without asking for entire companies to migrate with them. There are lots of options, just choose one! Even worse, you're implying that we, those who like Pentax for what it is - a traditional SLR manufacturer - should be completely disregarded and either forced to go MILC or to jump ship. You have the guts to decide what's "OK" for me!
It is possible for Ricoh/Pentax to introduce MILCs with a shorter registration distance without abandoning the K-mount!

A mount with a shorter registration distance but with the availability of a glassless converter with full control capability to cater for existing K-mount lenses satisfies those criteria.

Some (not all) new lenses would use the new registration distance and not be usable on dSLRs. There would be a gradual migration towards MILC over years. It would not happen within a year.
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What precisely would be the benefits of a new mount? I don't get it.
Perhaps because I have the K-01, a smallish camera that takes my standard lenses. Instead of a new mount, I would very much prefer a K-02, WR throughout, including the lens. It should not just look rugged. A few millimetres smaller body does not make much difference. OK, it cannot be pocketable, but how relevant is that for a system camera. Rather give it a better grip and an integrated viewfinder. And the more rugged the better.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Barry Pearson Quote
It is possible for Ricoh/Pentax to introduce MILCs with a shorter registration distance without abandoning the K-mount!

A mount with a shorter registration distance but with the availability of a glassless converter with full control capability to cater for existing K-mount lenses satisfies those criteria.

Some (not all) new lenses would use the new registration distance and not be usable on dSLRs. There would be a gradual migration towards MILC over years. It would not happen within a year.
Certainly, it is possible; and in few years it might even be a good idea to do so, but not now, not at the expense of the K-mount.

Right now, I'd say they must work on "fixing" the K-mount, because there's unrealised potential and room for growth with it. It's either try to break into double digits on the DSLR market, or control over 50% of the MILC one... I wonder which is more realistic

One thing that MILC propaganda is forgetting is that most people don't want to migrate to MILCs. An adapter is only good if one wants to adapt his lenses.
And by the way, I'm curious why this propaganda, against a traditional SLR manufacturer? Maybe they're not satisfied with their MILCs, hoping that Pentax would somehow save the day?
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