New Camera/s by Christmas

penguinsoda · 09-14-2013, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by catastrophe

Any idea of when the next camera show is? Been waiting ages for a full frame or upgrade to the K-5 and about to get a Canon 6D for night photography if nothing happens soon....I still love the K-5 for landscapes but really need something with better high ISO performance for night photography...I think the highest ISO for acceptable noise in the K-5 is around 1600, the 6D at around 6400 and maybe even up to 12800?

And am I right in saying most cameras will be announced in September or October at the latest? I don't think they always need to announce them at shows right?

This is what I want to know. I've been following this thread for some time hoping to catch a glimpse of whats coming.

I'd been a Nikon person, but the last few years had been using point and shoot cameras since going digital, and my last "real" camera was a film SLR. I was going to upgrade to a DSLR and was most likely going to go Canon or Nikon but was given a Pentax *ist D. Yes its old as dirt but still takes some pretty darn good pictures (when I pay attention to what I'm doing). I've bought several Pentax lenses now so looks like I'll stay with Pentax...Yes I know I could sell off what I have and switch back but.... it would cost me more to do that and I'm happy with the performance of the 10 year old camera I have. I'm cool becoming a Pentaxian.

My wish list is simple. I'm a hobbyist not a pro so the only thing I really want for my upgrade is an articulating screen on the back because I'm old and out of shape and can't get down on the ground for low level "creative" shots. Well... thats not totally true.... I can get down on the ground I just can't get back up again. I was going to go ahead and get a K30, but if theres a chance of an articulating screen coming up soon.... I'd rather wait.

Uluru · 09-14-2013, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by penguinsoda

.. I've been following this thread for some time hoping to catch a glimpse of whats coming. ...

/
/

One thing I know could be exciting news for some around here is the new 18-X0/2.8 lens that is coming.

Winder · 09-14-2013, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

/
One thing I know could be exciting news for some around here is the new 18-X0/2.8 lens that is coming.

Would be much more excited if there was a D-FA* 50mm F/1.2 on the map.

**ak_kiwi** · 09-14-2013, 09:34 PM

Still showing two different road maps on Japan version Vs English

Std disclaimer at bottom of chart should read -

* Road map may vary in response to if we really give a rats about the information situation today ......

thibs · 09-14-2013, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

One thing I know could be exciting news for some around here is the new 18-X0/2.8 lens that is coming.

It starts at 18mm ? OK half the forum will say P... OK I'll shut up

Good news IMO, it'd better not be 50mm on the tele side. Let's say 70mm. right?

Wired · 09-14-2013, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by thibs

It starts at 18mm ? OK half the forum will say P... OK I'll shut up

Good news IMO, it'd better not be 50mm on the tele side. Let's say 70mm. right?

What about 15-77 start at the widest Ltd lens and end at the longest Ltd....

Uluru · 09-14-2013, 10:40 PM

70mm it is.

18-70/2.8, but don't spread it around .. yet.

Last edited by Uluru; 09-14-2013 at 10:50 PM.

thibs · 09-14-2013, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

70mm it is.

18-70/2.8, but don't spread it around .. yet.

Yessss

Uluru · 09-14-2013, 11:11 PM

Closest equivalent is Canon 24-105/f4, I think.
However, I believe Ricoh has widened the lower end to 27mm, rather than going all the way down to 24mm, to avoid problems Canon's lens has with distortions, vignetting, etc. I think it will be rather a chunk of a lens too — and most likely above $1K.
But let's wait and see.

thibs · 09-14-2013, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

Closest equivalent is Canon 24-105/f4, I think.
However, I believe Ricoh has widened the lower end to 27mm, rather than going all the way down to 24mm, to avoid problems Canon's lens has with distortions, vignetting, etc. I think it will be rather a chunk of a lens too — and most likely above $1K.
But let's wait and see.

Above 1K for sure and they'll all whine because it is expensive

Excellent news IMO

wigelII · 09-15-2013, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by SideRaptor

I don't know about the camera shows, but I've used the K-5II at ISO 6400 and even higher when it's become necessary, and never really had a problem with the noise. (granted, there definitely is some, but I wouldn't call it "unacceptable")

I partially agree. It depends on your output

I often use my K5 in theaters and at 6400 ISO.
I do noise reduction with Lightroom / Nik and I also tried Capture One.
The result is OK, but when I print them at A2 format and I compare them to the result of some other camera's (of some colleagues, same conditions, same development) the K5 isn't good enough.
I am also waiting (too long) for a new Pentax camera, and now the new theater season is starting again, I'll have to decide and go for a new Pentax??? or 6D or D600.
I still hope Pentax soon comes with a new camera (it's OK if it's APS-C) with higher resolution, better high ISO performance, wi-fi and ...................tethering (please, please).

catastrophe · 09-15-2013, 01:49 AM

Well, I'll wait until end of the year and see if something comes up because I need the high ISO performance for astrophotography and aurora early next year...Otherwise I'll get a 6D and K-5 as my second camera. For normal shooting and especially hiking, I prefer the K-5 due to the size and weight, and most importantly, the dynamic range

rawr · 09-15-2013, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by wigelII

when I print them at A2 format

Printing ISO 6400 images, shot in a dark theatre, at A2 format .... hmmm. You standards are very high. Perhaps unreasonably so for almost any modern digital camera. A2 is huge.

D1N0 · 09-15-2013, 03:27 AM

K-5 is good at high iso but it is not a full frame. Want to shoot at iso 6400 in theaters? Get a D4

**monochrome** · 09-15-2013, 05:23 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Uluru

Let's observe it: if I were Ricoh, and my good reputation, long terms plans I have and excitement I see in making things others haven't dreamt about are the stakes, then what is presented as the next Pentax product cannot be a flop.It mustn't be a flop. Not a semi-finished product that catches up in 2 years, or three. It must be so good the day it's announced it will sell itself without any sales effort.

If it's an FF, the first day after the announcement will mark the 1,000,000 preorders worldwide, and will be the top ranking camera in sales in a decade — that kind of product I'd be interesting in making.

I'm sure that would make everyone happy - but you do understand that is precisely the old Pentax, Right?

Get nothing right for years - nothing! - than toss up a glorious Hail Mary Pass product that will SAVE THE COMPANY, that really is sublime, something sweet and new, something for all the reviewers to write about. PENTAX IS BACK!! Then fail to execute. A living corporate example of Fear of Success.

If Ricoh really is different it will be different. Very Very good new product, iteratively and constantly improved, constant small marketing, something new every month, in the news every week, solid, dependable, no surprises, no disappointments, good service, good warranties, for now a little more consumer-oriented than we would like, for now no pretense about semi-professional stuff in K-mount (see 645).

In short, an alternative to CaNikon, not another CaNikon.

09-14-2013, 08:25 PM	#527
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by penguinsoda .. I've been following this thread for some time hoping to catch a glimpse of whats coming. ... / / One thing I know could be exciting news for some around here is the new 18-X0/2.8 lens that is coming. Last edited by Uluru; 09-14-2013 at 09:13 PM.

09-14-2013, 11:11 PM	#534
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Closest equivalent is Canon 24-105/f4, I think. However, I believe Ricoh has widened the lower end to 27mm, rather than going all the way down to 24mm, to avoid problems Canon's lens has with distortions, vignetting, etc. I think it will be rather a chunk of a lens too — and most likely above $1K. But let's wait and see. Last edited by Uluru; 09-14-2013 at 11:21 PM.

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09-14-2013, 07:24 PM	#526
penguinsoda Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: So Cal Desert Posts: 124	Originally posted by catastrophe Any idea of when the next camera show is? Been waiting ages for a full frame or upgrade to the K-5 and about to get a Canon 6D for night photography if nothing happens soon....I still love the K-5 for landscapes but really need something with better high ISO performance for night photography...I think the highest ISO for acceptable noise in the K-5 is around 1600, the 6D at around 6400 and maybe even up to 12800? And am I right in saying most cameras will be announced in September or October at the latest? I don't think they always need to announce them at shows right? This is what I want to know. I've been following this thread for some time hoping to catch a glimpse of whats coming. I'd been a Nikon person, but the last few years had been using point and shoot cameras since going digital, and my last "real" camera was a film SLR. I was going to upgrade to a DSLR and was most likely going to go Canon or Nikon but was given a Pentax ist D. Yes its old as dirt but still takes some pretty darn good pictures (when I pay attention to what I'm* doing). I've bought several Pentax lenses now so looks like I'll stay with Pentax...Yes I know I could sell off what I have and switch back but.... it would cost me more to do that and I'm happy with the performance of the 10 year old camera I have. I'm cool becoming a Pentaxian. My wish list is simple. I'm a hobbyist not a pro so the only thing I really want for my upgrade is an articulating screen on the back because I'm old and out of shape and can't get down on the ground for low level "creative" shots. Well... thats not totally true.... I can get down on the ground I just can't get back up again. I was going to go ahead and get a K30, but if theres a chance of an articulating screen coming up soon.... I'd rather wait.

09-14-2013, 09:17 PM	#528
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by Uluru / One thing I know could be exciting news for some around here is the new 18-X0/2.8 lens that is coming. Would be much more excited if there was a D-FA* 50mm F/1.2 on the map.

09-14-2013, 09:34 PM	#529
ak_kiwi Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Auckland, New Zealand. Posts: 328	Still showing two different road maps on Japan version Vs English Std disclaimer at bottom of chart should read - * Road map may vary in response to if we really give a rats about the information situation today ......

09-14-2013, 10:26 PM	#530
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Uluru One thing I know could be exciting news for some around here is the new 18-X0/2.8 lens that is coming. It starts at 18mm ? OK half the forum will say P... OK I'll shut up Good news IMO, it'd better not be 50mm on the tele side. Let's say 70mm. right?

09-14-2013, 10:32 PM	#531
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by thibs It starts at 18mm ? OK half the forum will say P... OK I'll shut up Good news IMO, it'd better not be 50mm on the tele side. Let's say 70mm. right? What about 15-77 start at the widest Ltd lens and end at the longest Ltd....

09-14-2013, 10:40 PM	#532
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	70mm it is. 18-70/2.8, but don't spread it around .. yet. Last edited by Uluru; 09-14-2013 at 10:50 PM.

09-14-2013, 11:02 PM	#533
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Uluru 70mm it is. 18-70/2.8, but don't spread it around .. yet. Yessss

09-14-2013, 11:29 PM	#535
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Uluru Closest equivalent is Canon 24-105/f4, I think. However, I believe Ricoh has widened the lower end to 27mm, rather than going all the way down to 24mm, to avoid problems Canon's lens has with distortions, vignetting, etc. I think it will be rather a chunk of a lens too — and most likely above $1K. But let's wait and see. Above 1K for sure and they'll all whine because it is expensive Excellent news IMO

09-15-2013, 12:29 AM	#536
wigelII Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 65	Originally posted by SideRaptor I don't know about the camera shows, but I've used the K-5II at ISO 6400 and even higher when it's become necessary, and never really had a problem with the noise. (granted, there definitely is some, but I wouldn't call it "unacceptable") I partially agree. It depends on your output I often use my K5 in theaters and at 6400 ISO. I do noise reduction with Lightroom / Nik and I also tried Capture One. The result is OK, but when I print them at A2 format and I compare them to the result of some other camera's (of some colleagues, same conditions, same development) the K5 isn't good enough. I am also waiting (too long) for a new Pentax camera, and now the new theater season is starting again, I'll have to decide and go for a new Pentax??? or 6D or D600. I still hope Pentax soon comes with a new camera (it's OK if it's APS-C) with higher resolution, better high ISO performance, wi-fi and ...................tethering (please, please).

09-15-2013, 01:49 AM	#537
catastrophe Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 232	Well, I'll wait until end of the year and see if something comes up because I need the high ISO performance for astrophotography and aurora early next year...Otherwise I'll get a 6D and K-5 as my second camera. For normal shooting and especially hiking, I prefer the K-5 due to the size and weight, and most importantly, the dynamic range

09-15-2013, 02:45 AM	#538
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by wigelII when I print them at A2 format Printing ISO 6400 images, shot in a dark theatre, at A2 format .... hmmm. You standards are very high. Perhaps unreasonably so for almost any modern digital camera. A2 is huge.

09-15-2013, 03:27 AM	#539
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	K-5 is good at high iso but it is not a full frame. Want to shoot at iso 6400 in theaters? Get a D4

09-15-2013, 05:23 AM - 1 Like	#540
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Uluru Let's observe it: if I were Ricoh, and my good reputation, long terms plans I have and excitement I see in making things others haven't dreamt about are the stakes, then what is presented as the next Pentax product cannot be a flop.It mustn't be a flop. Not a semi-finished product that catches up in 2 years, or three. It must be so good the day it's announced it will sell itself without any sales effort. If it's an FF, the first day after the announcement will mark the 1,000,000 preorders worldwide, and will be the top ranking camera in sales in a decade — that kind of product I'd be interesting in making. I'm sure that would make everyone happy - but you do understand that is precisely the old Pentax, Right? Get nothing right for years - nothing! - than toss up a glorious Hail Mary Pass product that will SAVE THE COMPANY, that really is sublime, something sweet and new, something for all the reviewers to write about. PENTAX IS BACK!! Then fail to execute. A living corporate example of Fear of Success. If Ricoh really is different it will be different. Very Very good new product, iteratively and constantly improved, constant small marketing, something new every month, in the news every week, solid, dependable, no surprises, no disappointments, good service, good warranties, for now a little more consumer-oriented than we would like, for now no pretense about semi-professional stuff in K-mount (see 645). In short, an alternative to CaNikon, not another CaNikon.