Originally posted by RobA_Oz Well, that stimulated the most passionate and reasoned debate I've seen here for a while! It's all hypothetical, of course, and I doubt there'll be another short-register mirorless Pentax any time soon, either, because of the distraction it would create, particularly in the design phase. I don't think production capacity is an issue, as it could be contracted out to someone like Cosina (they built the Epson RD-1, remember) if Ricoh had no capacity of their own – something must be occupying their GXR production capacity, after all.
Really, the only substantial reasons why such a camera would exist would be to produce a compact mirrorless large-sensor interchangeable-lens system with ready access to an existing large range of lenses. The Q misses out on the sensor size aspect of that. In a way, it's a logical extension of the Ricoh GR, and its major advantage (aside from body size and weight) would be the ability to use non-retrofocus wide-angle lenses, which could therefore be larger aperture and lighter weight than the present range.
Maybe it will happen with a Ricoh badge. I wonder what we'd say then.
Chuckle! Here is a summary of a possible "compact mirrorless large-sensor interchangeable-lens system with ready access to an existing large range of lenses". I've added notes at the end to show that I am not identifying these possibilities just for the fun of it. I really think that such a camera could be designed and developed without breaking the bank, and might be a game changer. Here goes:
Aim: the first Pentax FF digital camera, taking its place alongside dSLRs from various makers, able to use all the same K-mount lenses in the same way as current Pentax dSLRs, but not a "me too" camera. (
Note 1)
Sensor: FF with SR. (Whatever would be chosen for any other sort of Pentax FF camera). (
Note 2).
Viewing: Mirrorless and electronic viewfinder. Perhaps with eyepiece at the top left when looking from behind. (Articulated eyepiece?) (
Note 3).
Mount: Short Registration version of the K-mount used in (say) the K-5IIs. Accompanied by a glass-less extension adapter to turn the camera into a normal registration K-mount.
Note 4).
Adapter: Possibly built in, possibly separate. (Ricoh/Pentax design decision.
Note 5).
Body: Slimmer front-to-back corresponding to shorter registration. (
Note 6).
Flash: Perhaps a pop-up flash a bit like the Q? (Ricoh/Pentax design decision.
Note 5).
LCD: Articulated? Touch screen? (Ricoh/Pentax design decision.
Note 5).
Notes: Note 1: I'm influenced by the massive ongoing arguments here about features and price-points, etc. It is obvious that there will never be a consensus among Pentax users. Ricoh/Pentax are presumably aware that they can't please all Pentax users, won't impress all reviewers, and will struggle with a "me too" camera in a Canon/Nikon dominated environment.
Note 2: I'm describing this camera as an FF camera. But given that it doesn't suffer the size overheads of the whole FF SLR optical path, (main and AF mirror, AF system in the base, screen, pentaprism), I think the same camera body would still be viable if that sensor were replaced with an APS-C sensor. One of the most significant things that needs to be larger for an FF camera, that optical path, wouldn't be there, and so wouldn't be such an overhead with a smaller sensor.
Note 3: An electronic viewfinder avoids one of the things that would surely require significant development and manufacturing cost in an OVF FF camera - the optical path of note 2. (I think optical paths have moved on a lot since Pentax last sold an FF camera - for film). Avoiding a moving mirror might help the fps be raised from 7 fps to (perhaps) 10 fps. Being quieter would also be useful in some environments.
Note 4: I don't accept that there is a need to redesign all the features of the K-mount. Why cripple something that is understood? Perhaps a simplified version of the Short Registration mount would appear later, but not in the first model. So I'm sticking here to the functionality of the current K-mount but with reduced distance between it and the sensor because there is no mirror. That should allow any lens designs that will benefit from such a registration.
Note 5: There are a number of cases above where two or more variants might be possible. Ricoh/Pentax would have to make those decisions, and might even make different decisions at different price-points.
Note 6: The smaller registration might, (I think should), enable the body to be slimmer and lighter. (Except the grip, I hope!) That might enable Ricoh/Pentax to package the same body form used for FF as a smaller lighter body with a lighter kit lens for entry-to-medium use.