DA17-70/4 SDM at china

barbosas · 03-24-2008, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by OniFactor

i like that price point for SDM + constant f4!

yes, me too.

I'm really anxious to see the price tags for the upcoming lenses... 17-70/4, 60-250/4, 55/1.4

creampuff · 03-24-2008, 05:54 PM

I have a Japanese friend who is a long time Pentax user and he tells me that there are already copies of the DA 17-70 going around, so looking at the pictures posted, I'm not at all surprised.

What's with some forum members here? Actually I find comments that it was stolen from the factory in Vietnam pretty childish and immature.

It is a well known fact that Pentax and other Japanese equipment makers do release new stuff in their domestic and geographical home markets well ahead of the other parts of the world. China is certainly a huge photo market and many Japanese brands have launched or announced or released their products there before anywhere else.

Just to give an example, my Japanese friend above already got his PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited early last week and photo samples from this lens have already appeared such as:

Weblog -insomnia-: DA 35mmF2.8 Macro Limited: A standard macro lens

OniFactor · 03-24-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by creampuff

What's with some forum members here? Actually I find comments that it was stolen from the factory in Vietnam pretty childish and immature.

for sure. everyone knows the GOOD lenses are assembled in the Philippines. :-P just ribbin ya.

creampuff · 03-24-2008, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by OniFactor

for sure. everyone knows the GOOD lenses are assembled in the Philippines. :-P just ribbin ya.

Ha, ha I thought they only made nice bodies and flashy stuff... no worries, I'm cool.

leadbelly · 03-24-2008, 07:40 PM

Ya doofs.... only DSLR and P&S bodies are made in the Philippines!

Flashes are made in China (at least my 540 says so...) Hahaha...

rvannatta · 03-24-2008, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Pentaxke

Up to now yes! All DA* have both SDM and screwdrive AF. My fear is that Pentax is not going to repeat that with this 17-70. I don't care for SDM and on my ist D, if the lens does not have screwdrive type AF, it will become a manual focus lens only...

IT won't be that long before they dump the screw drive---both in the lenses
and in the new bodies. Probably do what the did when they crippled the lens mount.---first bring out a 'low end' model with no screw andthen push it up the line. Look for that right after they complete conversion of all the lens family in production to SDM.

Perhaps marketing can write up a long explanation about how it had to go to permit SDM to work faster, etc., or for them to make an extra $5 per camera... and to sell a lot more lenses by converting all the screw drive lenses into manual focus models.

Kunzite · 03-25-2008, 12:51 AM

They won't dump the screw drive from the bodies for now. There are some expensive Limiteds that use it

roentarre · 03-25-2008, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by creampuff

I have a Japanese friend who is a long time Pentax user and he tells me that there are already copies of the DA 17-70 going around, so looking at the pictures posted, I'm not at all surprised.

Just to give an example, my Japanese friend above already got his PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited early last week and photo samples from this lens have already appeared such as:

Such a great news!

I am looking forward to grab a copy of Da 35 macro in Taiwan as I am heading there on Friday.

The foreground bokeh from that link is superb! I am very tempted.

If Da 17-70 is already floating around, I might want to get some copies and sell Da* 16-50!!

SupremeMoFo · 03-25-2008, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by qksilver

wouldnt SDM have a larger focus ring that doesnt move when the lens focuses. That looks like a photoshop hack of a 16-45

I tend to agree.

Originally posted by ankit

Isnt the 16-45 a single-cam design, while this lens looks like a dual-cam? Looks pretty legit to me!

Yes, it is single cam. But there's a couple of problems with the 17-70. The focusing ring throw is far too short - looks about half that of the 16-45 - maybe taken off the 18-55? Dual cam design also conflicts with the idea of it being IF, like it says on the front (I think) - unless it's a way of reducing wobble related to the single cam design. The top-view profile looks exactly the same as the 16-45. The 16-45 has "1:4(22)" on the front which this should also have. etc...

Ishpuini · 03-25-2008, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by SupremeMoFo

I tend to agree.

No, too many differences. I think this is the real thing.

Originally posted by SupremeMoFo

Yes, it is single cam. But there's a couple of problems with the 17-70. The focusing ring throw is far too short - looks about half that of the 16-45 - maybe taken off the 18-55? Dual cam design also conflicts with the idea of it being IF, like it says on the front (I think) - unless it's a way of reducing wobble related to the single cam design. The top-view profile looks exactly the same as the 16-45. The 16-45 has "1:4(22)" on the front which this should also have. etc...

The DA*16-50/2.8 has double cam too and it is IF. The shorter focusing ring throw may be unpractical for MF, but it will ensure fast AF.

Wim

PS: the DA17-70 was shown at PIE2008. This picture was taken there, it looks the same:
Three new lenses

MMVIII · 03-25-2008, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by Ishpuini

No, too many differences. I think this is the real thing.

The DA*16-50/2.8 has double cam too and it is IF. The shorter focusing ring throw may be unpractical for MF, but it will ensure fast AF.

Wim

PS: the DA17-70 was shown at PIE2008. This picture was taken there, it looks the same:
Three new lenses

That's right. There is also an image of three new lenses being on display here:

Three new pentax lenses on digitalcamera.jp

séamuis · 03-25-2008, 04:21 AM

Quote:

It is a well known fact that Pentax and other Japanese equipment makers do release new stuff in their domestic and geographical home markets well ahead of the other parts of the world. China is certainly a huge photo market and many Japanese brands have launched or announced or released their products there before anywhere else.

Just to give an example, my Japanese friend above already got his PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited early last week and photo samples from this lens have already appeared such as:

It looks quite legit to me. and as for your Japanese friend.. I am quite jealous, as I am looking forward to this lens as being my everyday lens and cant wait to get one.

janneman · 03-25-2008, 04:43 AM

Originally posted by rvannatta

IT won't be that long before they dump the screw drive---both in the lenses
and in the new bodies. Probably do what the did when they crippled the lens mount.---first bring out a 'low end' model with no screw andthen push it up the line. Look for that right after they complete conversion of all the lens family in production to SDM.

Perhaps marketing can write up a long explanation about how it had to go to permit SDM to work faster, etc., or for them to make an extra $5 per camera... and to sell a lot more lenses by converting all the screw drive lenses into manual focus models.

But I have a feeling it won't be now....
There are still too many D, Ds, DL and K100D models around. The bodyscrew is probably to stay for the upper market models, exactly for the backwardscompataibity issue. A hunch it might even stay in all Pentax bodies.
But strictly SDM lenses?? Yes they are coming. First will probably an SDM-med DA18-250 as a standard zoom.

I don't know the 16-45 so I cannot compare, the only thing that MIGHT cast some doubt on the pictures is the green band which is very DA-like. One would think they'd have something else for DA SDM lenses like a red band....Also, given the numbert of people asking about the drive, I am surprised the OP of the pics did not anticipate by taking a picture of the actual mount

JMS · 03-25-2008, 07:11 AM

I'm not sure I like it- focus ring throw is only 45 degrees.

Tom M · 03-25-2008, 07:31 AM

So far the 16-45 is a great lens that they've tried to replace with the 16-50 which is completely hit or miss quality-wise not to mention the fact it's questionable whether it's IQ is as good as the 16-45 - Now this 17-70 must be as good as the 16-45 it replaces or it's a waste of time and money.

03-25-2008, 03:47 AM	#25
Ishpuini Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,727	Originally posted by SupremeMoFo I tend to agree. No, too many differences. I think this is the real thing. Originally posted by SupremeMoFo Yes, it is single cam. But there's a couple of problems with the 17-70. The focusing ring throw is far too short - looks about half that of the 16-45 - maybe taken off the 18-55? Dual cam design also conflicts with the idea of it being IF, like it says on the front (I think) - unless it's a way of reducing wobble related to the single cam design. The top-view profile looks exactly the same as the 16-45. The 16-45 has "1:4(22)" on the front which this should also have. etc... The DA16-50/2.8 has double cam too and it is IF. The shorter focusing ring throw may be unpractical for MF, but it will ensure fast AF. Wim PS: the DA17-70 was shown at PIE2008. This picture was taken there, it looks the same: Three new lenses Last edited by Ishpuini; 03-25-2008 at 03:52 AM.*

03-25-2008, 03:58 AM	#26
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by Ishpuini No, too many differences. I think this is the real thing. The DA16-50/2.8 has double cam too and it is IF. The shorter focusing ring throw may be unpractical for MF, but it will ensure fast AF. Wim PS: the DA17-70 was shown at PIE2008. This picture was taken there, it looks the same: Three new lenses That's right. There is also an image of three new lenses being on display here: Three new pentax lenses on digitalcamera.jp Last edited by MMVIII; 03-25-2008 at 03:59 AM. Reason: typing errors*

03-25-2008, 04:43 AM	#28
janneman Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 908	they will drop screwmount in the lenses for sure.... Originally posted by rvannatta IT won't be that long before they dump the screw drive---both in the lenses and in the new bodies. Probably do what the did when they crippled the lens mount.---first bring out a 'low end' model with no screw andthen push it up the line. Look for that right after they complete conversion of all the lens family in production to SDM. Perhaps marketing can write up a long explanation about how it had to go to permit SDM to work faster, etc., or for them to make an extra $5 per camera... and to sell a lot more lenses by converting all the screw drive lenses into manual focus models. But I have a feeling it won't be now.... There are still too many D, Ds, DL and K100D models around. The bodyscrew is probably to stay for the upper market models, exactly for the backwardscompataibity issue. A hunch it might even stay in all Pentax bodies. But strictly SDM lenses?? Yes they are coming. First will probably an SDM-med DA18-250 as a standard zoom. I don't know the 16-45 so I cannot compare, the only thing that MIGHT cast some doubt on the pictures is the green band which is very DA-like. One would think they'd have something else for DA SDM lenses like a red band....Also, given the numbert of people asking about the drive, I am surprised the OP of the pics did not anticipate by taking a picture of the actual mount Last edited by janneman; 03-25-2008 at 07:24 AM.

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03-24-2008, 05:31 PM	#16
barbosas Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lisbon Photos: Gallery Posts: 683	Originally posted by OniFactor i like that price point for SDM + constant f4! yes, me too. I'm really anxious to see the price tags for the upcoming lenses... 17-70/4, 60-250/4, 55/1.4

03-24-2008, 05:54 PM	#17
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	I have a Japanese friend who is a long time Pentax user and he tells me that there are already copies of the DA 17-70 going around, so looking at the pictures posted, I'm not at all surprised. What's with some forum members here? Actually I find comments that it was stolen from the factory in Vietnam pretty childish and immature. It is a well known fact that Pentax and other Japanese equipment makers do release new stuff in their domestic and geographical home markets well ahead of the other parts of the world. China is certainly a huge photo market and many Japanese brands have launched or announced or released their products there before anywhere else. Just to give an example, my Japanese friend above already got his PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited early last week and photo samples from this lens have already appeared such as: Weblog -insomnia-: DA 35mmF2.8 Macro Limited: A standard macro lens

03-24-2008, 05:59 PM	#18
OniFactor Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Binghamton, NY, USA Posts: 643	Originally posted by creampuff What's with some forum members here? Actually I find comments that it was stolen from the factory in Vietnam pretty childish and immature. for sure. everyone knows the GOOD lenses are assembled in the Philippines. :-P just ribbin ya.

03-24-2008, 06:02 PM	#19
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	Originally posted by OniFactor for sure. everyone knows the GOOD lenses are assembled in the Philippines. :-P just ribbin ya. Ha, ha I thought they only made nice bodies and flashy stuff... no worries, I'm cool.

03-24-2008, 07:40 PM	#20
leadbelly Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 597	Ya doofs.... only DSLR and P&S bodies are made in the Philippines! Flashes are made in China (at least my 540 says so...) Hahaha...

03-24-2008, 10:14 PM	#21
rvannatta Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Apiary, Oregon Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,181	Originally posted by Pentaxke Up to now yes! All DA* have both SDM and screwdrive AF. My fear is that Pentax is not going to repeat that with this 17-70. I don't care for SDM and on my ist D, if the lens does not have screwdrive type AF, it will become a manual focus lens only... IT won't be that long before they dump the screw drive---both in the lenses and in the new bodies. Probably do what the did when they crippled the lens mount.---first bring out a 'low end' model with no screw andthen push it up the line. Look for that right after they complete conversion of all the lens family in production to SDM. Perhaps marketing can write up a long explanation about how it had to go to permit SDM to work faster, etc., or for them to make an extra $5 per camera... and to sell a lot more lenses by converting all the screw drive lenses into manual focus models.

03-25-2008, 12:51 AM	#22
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	They won't dump the screw drive from the bodies for now. There are some expensive Limiteds that use it

03-25-2008, 02:58 AM	#23
roentarre Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 11,783	Originally posted by creampuff I have a Japanese friend who is a long time Pentax user and he tells me that there are already copies of the DA 17-70 going around, so looking at the pictures posted, I'm not at all surprised. Just to give an example, my Japanese friend above already got his PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited early last week and photo samples from this lens have already appeared such as: Such a great news! I am looking forward to grab a copy of Da 35 macro in Taiwan as I am heading there on Friday. The foreground bokeh from that link is superb! I am very tempted. If Da 17-70 is already floating around, I might want to get some copies and sell Da* 16-50!!

03-25-2008, 03:23 AM	#24
SupremeMoFo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 668	Originally posted by qksilver wouldnt SDM have a larger focus ring that doesnt move when the lens focuses. That looks like a photoshop hack of a 16-45 I tend to agree. Originally posted by ankit Isnt the 16-45 a single-cam design, while this lens looks like a dual-cam? Looks pretty legit to me! Yes, it is single cam. But there's a couple of problems with the 17-70. The focusing ring throw is far too short - looks about half that of the 16-45 - maybe taken off the 18-55? Dual cam design also conflicts with the idea of it being IF, like it says on the front (I think) - unless it's a way of reducing wobble related to the single cam design. The top-view profile looks exactly the same as the 16-45. The 16-45 has "1:4(22)" on the front which this should also have. etc...

03-25-2008, 04:21 AM	#27
séamuis Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Savannah, U.S./Baguio City, P.H. Posts: 5,979	Quote: It is a well known fact that Pentax and other Japanese equipment makers do release new stuff in their domestic and geographical home markets well ahead of the other parts of the world. China is certainly a huge photo market and many Japanese brands have launched or announced or released their products there before anywhere else. Just to give an example, my Japanese friend above already got his PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited early last week and photo samples from this lens have already appeared such as: It looks quite legit to me. and as for your Japanese friend.. I am quite jealous, as I am looking forward to this lens as being my everyday lens and cant wait to get one.

03-25-2008, 07:11 AM	#29
JMS Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 273	I'm not sure I like it- focus ring throw is only 45 degrees.

03-25-2008, 07:31 AM	#30
Tom M Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lincoln Park, NJ Photos: Gallery Posts: 780	So far the 16-45 is a great lens that they've tried to replace with the 16-50 which is completely hit or miss quality-wise not to mention the fact it's questionable whether it's IQ is as good as the 16-45 - Now this 17-70 must be as good as the 16-45 it replaces or it's a waste of time and money.