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08-27-2013, 06:16 PM   #166
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mr Spocko Quote
My views are shared by quite a few:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52047981
It's not just high end stuff, the limited lenses are too slow for many people. They are nice but they're not winning over the bread and butter Canikon offerings.
You can either have fast or compact. The laws o physics prevent both. Sounds like you want much larger lenses from a different company.

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QuoteOriginally posted by carrrlangas Quote
If weight and size are not restrictions, optical design gets easier (look at sigma.. or Samyang manual focus offerings). If you do want small light lenses, some sacrifices must be made. Need faster? You have acamera with clean files at ISO1600 and huge Dynamic Range...
This is actually what I have a hard time dealing with Canikon friends about Pentax lenses. Sure, they got 1.8's and we only got 2.4's, but look at the size and handling differences, they don't get it. The space they have for one lens in a bag I can put two Pentaxes in (except the DA* lol), True, it's a half-stop difference, but for optimum sharpness I stop down half at least anyway. Lastly, in the world of amateur photography, I think bokeh is overrated. K-5 IIs ISO is superb enough to warrant me not needing an 85 f1.4... little FA77 can do the job well, just foot-zoom my way to get the 85 FL lol

back to topic though, yeah I think red ring makes it look daring and bold, but maybe too Canon-L, yes. Green is too friendly a color though. The seemingly-CenturyGothic font looks nice and makes the lens overall look more formal, "Zeiss"-y even, as someone else said.

I'd daresay red+silver with the "Limited" label on it is a hot, hot thing to look at though. Might make my previously-unattractive Pentax set suddenly a thief magnet
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QuoteOriginally posted by Clarkey Quote
You have a point. Nice update, but currently overpriced.
Don't get me wrong, I love my DA limiteds, but the prime market is now extremely competitive (different from when these lenses were originally designed). A couple of other examples of compact, much faster lenses that are well regarded: Fuji 35mm F1.4 - ~$600, Olympus 45mm F1.8 ~$400.
Which is why I'm waiting for the sales.
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FWIW, it looks like Pentax is here to stay, at least in aps-c arena. There is no way Ricoh would launch these new lenses and not have a long term plan for the Pentax line. Unfortunately it looks like a full frame is not coming....unless they announce new HD coatings for the FA Ltd's. Now that would be very interesting.

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QuoteOriginally posted by JinDesu Quote
Which is why I'm waiting for the sales.
As am I

But will there be any, given the pricing strategy?
I anticipate rebates, rather than massive deals, unless bundled with bodies (I anticipate the APS-C replacement for the K5II(s) should be announced next week to go with these).
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QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
You can either have fast or compact. The laws o physics prevent both. Sounds like you want much larger lenses from a different company.

Not exactly massive IMO
Stuff like this makes it more appealing

http://www.voigtlaender.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/gfx/objekti..._40mm_frei.jpg

f2 v f2.8 is significant to some, this is just one example
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ok.............

PENTAX!! Why don't you put HD on ALL lenses for renewal?

I want more lenses!!!!!!!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mr Spocko Quote
Not exactly massive IMO
Stuff like this makes it more appealing

http://www.voigtlaender.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/gfx/objekti..._40mm_frei.jpg

f2 v f2.8 is significant to some, this is just one example
Ultron 40/2 is 200g vs DA40's 90g
52mm thread vs 49mm thread.
60 x 25mm vs 63 x 15 mm.

The difference is significant. Ultron weighs almost as DA40 and DA21 together.

And which is beside the point: there's Ultron, there's DA40, so you can choose an f2 lens or an f2.8 lens.
What is supposed to be the problem? This is least a problem Pentax should be addressing: Voigtlander made their lens long after the SMC 40/2.8 was around, and they have decided not to compete directly with it, or be directly compared to it.

PS. There's also Nikon P 45/2.8, which looks very much like SMC 40/2.8. Manual focus lens, made for old Nikon bodies. Pity Nikon has forgotten about it.




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08-27-2013, 07:45 PM   #174
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mr Spocko Quote
Not exactly massive IMO
Stuff like this makes it more appealing

http://www.voigtlaender.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/gfx/objekti..._40mm_frei.jpg

f2 v f2.8 is significant to some, this is just one example
Not a good example, I'm afraid. I looked hard at the Voigtlander 40 (while they were available new in K-mount) but decided that an FA43/1.8 Ltd was a more attractive prospect, having AF and a touch more speed and a better build, in spite of being a little more expensive. I did buy the Voigtlander 58, though, in spite of the MF, but I'd have to think a little harder since the DA*55 became available, even though I love the 58's colouring and bokeh.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mr Spocko Quote
Not exactly massive IMO
Stuff like this makes it more appealing

http://www.voigtlaender.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/gfx/objekti..._40mm_frei.jpg

f2 v f2.8 is significant to some, this is just one example
Minus the autofocus...

Also, you could have just chosen the FA43 F1.9 to compare instead (since the FA43 is smaller than the Voigt) - but even then the DA is smaller. Is it worth that extra 1cm thinner and 60g lighter? Eh - probably not. But if the goal of the Limiteds is to be compact as compact can be - then there you go.

Also, the 40mm/43mm focal length is known for pancakes. The 35mm/50mm/70-80mm is not known for small lenses - but Pentax makes do.
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Why would they do that, they are excellent in purple fringing already!


(hopefully also new SDM II)
I like my PF nice and purple thanks! ;-)
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Ricoh Tax alert!

Sep 2013
HD DA 15/4 Ltd $700 | smc DA 15/4 Ltd $650
HD DA 21/3.2 Ltd $700 | smc DA 21/3.2 Ltd $650
HD DA 35/2.8 Macro Ltd $750 | smc DA 35/2.8 Macro Ltd $700
HD DA 40/2.8 Ltd $550 | smc DA 40/2.8 Ltd $500
HD DA 70/2.4 Ltd $750 | smc DA 70/2.4 Ltd $700

Mar 2012
smc DA 15/4 Ltd $510
smc DA 21/3.2 Ltd $510
smc DA 35/2.8 Macro Ltd $540
smc DA 40/2.8 Ltd $340
smc DA 70/2.4 Ltd $545
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QuoteOriginally posted by Franky2step Quote
FWIW, it looks like Pentax is here to stay, at least in aps-c arena. There is no way Ricoh would launch these new lenses and not have a long term plan for the Pentax line. Unfortunately it looks like a full frame is not coming....unless they announce new HD coatings for the FA Ltd's. Now that would be very interesting.
Agree that with these announcements signal a new apsc is definitely on the way. However its still too soon to discount a full frame. They may hold back the announcements to when the body is announced.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
Seems like a decent update. What is everybody griping about? I suspect WR
on these lenses is not feasible due to the compactness and quick shift.
As has been stated the DFA 100mm macro has quickshift and is compact.

I thought pentax was supposed to be the company of WR? So we get WR flashes but no new WR lenses?
These are cool lenses but no holes were filled.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Gray Quote
Sep 2013
HD DA 15/4 Ltd $700 | smc DA 15/4 Ltd $650
HD DA 21/3.2 Ltd $700 | smc DA 21/3.2 Ltd $650
HD DA 35/2.8 Macro Ltd $750 | smc DA 35/2.8 Macro Ltd $700
HD DA 40/2.8 Ltd $550 | smc DA 40/2.8 Ltd $500
HD DA 70/2.4 Ltd $750 | smc DA 70/2.4 Ltd $700

Mar 2012
smc DA 15/4 Ltd $510
smc DA 21/3.2 Ltd $510
smc DA 35/2.8 Macro Ltd $540
smc DA 40/2.8 Ltd $340
smc DA 70/2.4 Ltd $545
Actually, if I were Ricoh, I'd double those new, current prices, and double smack all the pretenders. What is ridiculous in all this story is that no one would complain about same or worse prices if the company was Canon they'd accept it as normal, and quite suitable to Canon's rank. And when purchased, people would treasure them more like they do with Canon L glass.
But in case of Pentax, everything must be undervalued to be "up to scratch".

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi, was never truer than in case of Pentax and other brands.
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