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08-27-2013, 10:09 PM   #181
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I actually see the rounded aperture blades as a negative thing in the case of the 15. I'm pretty sure the straight blades are responsible for the starburst effect that the 15 is so famous for. And it's not like you're going to get much bokeh with that lens anyway, so rounded blades are kind of superfluous.

08-27-2013, 10:21 PM   #182
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If they only added 2 more blades to the 15 that would be nice. Let's see if it still do those cool starburst tricks. If not then I'll buy the old 15 right now.
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I think this is pretty sad, no new lenses just a new look for all the old limited's. And FWIW the old green looked heaps better.

And the added 2 blades to the 15 is a con.
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They could even triple or quadruple that and go for a Leica model. Just make fun of everyone who complains about pricing until they simply die-off from embarrassment =
QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
Actually, if I were Ricoh, I'd double those new, current prices, and double smack all the pretenders. What is ridiculous in all this story is that no one would complain about same or worse prices if the company was Canon they'd accept it as normal, and quite suitable to Canon's rank. And when purchased, people would treasure them more like they do with Canon L glass.
But in case of Pentax, everything must be undervalued to be "up to scratch".

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi, was never truer than in case of Pentax and other brands.


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would be exciting if the price would be limited not unlimited. Waiting for zoom lenses with better performance like competition have
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
Actually, if I were Ricoh, I'd double those new, current prices, and double smack all the pretenders. What is ridiculous in all this story is that no one would complain about same or worse prices if the company was Canon they'd accept it as normal, and quite suitable to Canon's rank. And when purchased, people would treasure them more like they do with Canon L glass.
But in case of Pentax, everything must be undervalued to be "up to scratch".

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi, was never truer than in case of Pentax and other brands.
To me personally, the positioning of the Limiteds made more sense to me 18 months ago; "splurge" lenses for amateurs who appreciate superior optical performance and build quality at a "take everywhere" size.

They sat comfortably between the DA series primes/zooms and the DA* series, which features fast apertures, weather sealing, and silent focusing. In short, the Limiteds were premium and the DA*s were professional.

Now the Limiteds are entering full-luxury mode, but they don't have lower cost alternatives besides the (tightly clustered by focal length, and overpriced compared to Pentax's competitors' offerings) DA primes.

The DA 70, for example, at $750 may as well not exist as far as my budget is concerned.

Anyway, these are the thoughts of one recently-converted Pentaxian who feels the Limiteds slipping out of reach. More could be said, but it's tiresome typing on this tablet and it's almost 2am. :-)
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cannikin Quote
I actually see the rounded aperture blades as a negative thing in the case of the 15. I'm pretty sure the straight blades are responsible for the starburst effect that the 15 is so famous for. And it's not like you're going to get much bokeh with that lens anyway, so rounded blades are kind of superfluous.
Star bursts are the kitsch IMO and I hate the damned things.
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Never heard so many whiners in my life. Pentax "refresh" the DA limiteds and 50% of the feedback is negative garbage about red rings, starbursts and questions regarding the value of rounded aperture blades. Surely you don't think this is the last announcement do you?

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I for one am interested in the new 40 limited.. looks really good in silver too

The new HD coating surely has to be an advantage...

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QuoteOriginally posted by bossa Quote
Never heard so many whiners in my life. Pentax "refresh" the DA limiteds and 50% of the feedback is negative garbage about red rings, starbursts and questions regarding the value of rounded aperture blades. Surely you don't think this is the last announcement do you?
the only thing I'd see as a con is the price tags on those lenses. I cant believe the DA 35 is at the same price as the 70
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QuoteOriginally posted by bossa Quote
Never heard so many whiners in my life. Pentax "refresh" the DA limiteds and 50% of the feedback is negative garbage about red rings, starbursts and questions regarding the value of rounded aperture blades. Surely you don't think this is the last announcement do you?
Talk about red rings may be rather silly, but really, talking about starbursts/rounded blades is "garbage"?

This is something that directly and obviously affects the final image, you know the whole point of photography. One look at the https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/lens-clubs/86234-15mm-limited-controls-my-mind-club.html thread obviously shows that many, many people are quite enamored of the effect, and contributes directly to the popularity of the lens.

Just because you hate it, doesn't mean that the opinions and concerns of those who disagree with you are "garbage".
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QuoteOriginally posted by filoxophy Quote

Anyway, these are the thoughts of one recently-converted Pentaxian who feels the Limiteds slipping out of reach. More could be said, but it's tiresome typing on this tablet and it's almost 2am. :-)
I was working overtime, doing extra work too for many months, patiently to be able to get 3 limiteds, and paid them in full at Aussie prices, which matched those from USA today, plus a conversion rate. So when I read crying about today's prices, it makes me sick, yes.

Anyway, I wanted to show that often we read here how Ricoh neglects Pentax brand; however, how Pentax users denigrate Pentax brand a priori to a third rate, canal barge class contender, want it to bleed losses and yet at the same time accept anything big brands do — and switch to their camps to spend even more — is hardly admitted part of any discussion.

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In the discussion on the Pentax Facebook page on the DA ltd revamp, there is talk about the HD DA 15 ltd having less aperture blades then the SMC one. There is talk about it being downgraded from 9 to 7 aperture blades. Any truth in that?!?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Cannikin Quote
Talk about red rings may be rather silly,
Depends... Many wanted the red ring to be made out of rubber and be placed on the end of the lends that connects to the body, to keep out moist and dust.


QuoteOriginally posted by Cannikin Quote
but really, talking about starbursts/rounded blades is "garbage"?

This is something that directly and obviously affects the final image, you know the whole point of photography. One look at the https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/lens-clubs/86234-15mm-limited-controls-my-mind-club.html thread obviously shows that many, many people are quite enamored of the effect, and contributes directly to the popularity of the lens.
Can't agree more, these features are about optics and directly link to the outcome of the image. Although... To play devils advocate... A starburst can be added in PP within 2 seconds.
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In the discussion on the Pentax Facebook page on the DA ltd revamp, there is talk about the HD DA 15 ltd having less aperture blades then the SMC one. Any truth in that?!?
You mean, just three?
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