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08-29-2013, 02:50 AM   #346
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QuoteOriginally posted by Barry Pearson Quote
I've just bought a "Hoya" filter that says "Made by Tokina Co. Ltd."
Tokina and Kenko are the same company. I think... (it's not always easy to understand these Japanese companies!).

(...and Tokina is still a partner of Ricoh-Pentax, I guess? And a partner of Hoya )

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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
... If Pentax would have announced the update of the FA ltds instead of the DA ltds, then the FF rumor mill would have [a] complete meltdown...
I would love it if Pentax did just that! Right before the announcement of a FF body, by even a day or two. I would have the largest bowl of popcorn in Europe...
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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
Tokina and Kenko are the same company. I think... (it's not always easy to understand these Japanese companies!).

(...and Tokina is still a partner of Ricoh-Pentax, I guess? And a partner of Hoya )
That's why -upfront- I had thought that Hoya-Pentax would be a marriage made in heaven... But alas.
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QuoteOriginally posted by JohnBee Quote
K-3 actually.
K-5 body size build(slightly wider) w/articulated screen.
20mp sensor with IQ improvements(RES, DR, NOISE ETC) across the board

Pentax is going to make alot of waves this year with the introduction of their new vision.
What about an improvement of the AF module ?
Smaller AF points and more AF points !

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QuoteOriginally posted by bossa Quote
It was NEVER a product line within the offerings of another camera manufacturer.
I took the above to mean that you were unhappy with the current company structure, hence my comment about Leica. In fact, at the time I read your post above, I was not aware of your post no. 315:

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...How would you have reacted had Nikon or Canon bought PENTAX instead of Ricoh?
QuoteOriginally posted by bossa Quote
Canikon is generally considered the arch enemy around here, which is why I mentioned them - but I forgot to mention Leica. It probably would have been more interesting if any of the other camera manufacturers (other than Ricoh) had bought Pentax for a number of reasons. Perhaps the subject of another thread?
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Would you help me out and explain why your post is so witty that it required an emoticon?
Just to avoid coming across as confrontational.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bossa Quote
Hoya was a glass manufacturer which made filters NOT a camera manufacturer. Do you honestly think that's "splitting hairs"?
As I've said, they are a diversified optics company who has made SLR camera equipment, just not bodies:


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I don't know what version of teh GR that is, but this is stock:


Having some PS fun with me?
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Yes Hoya does have experience of optics (Tokina) as we all know. It was quite clear to many of us that the Pentax buy out was mostly to get the medical division which is seen as a far sounder investment (not sure about the lenses for glasses business I assume that's part of it)

I don't really care if the bloke down the street buys Pentax "if" they have an idea of what to do and some vision.
Ricoh, well they are similar to Konica Minolta in their print/copy business side of things, but they have nothing of the kind of expertise or vision that Minolta had in the camera industry.
So far Ricoh have done little to impress, and this new "HD" coating and red ring just looks like an excuse to put the prices up "again" on the same lenses.

I for one am not fooled by this ploy at all. But back to Ricoh they are a bit player in the camera market cruel but true, the GX-R was a big flop, they had potential years ago with the GR-D and RX premium compact market and the new model looks decent, but it's all too late really, everyone else took the prizes for that market. I personally don't see this lasting that long or being a successful venture for either company. I don't think Ricoh have the vision to take Pentax forward, they just seems to increase prices and hope to suck out some more profits.

It's actually a bit embarrassing as Pentax should be a clear no. 3 with all the strange choices and changes of direction Sony have done over the years.
Ricoh- Pentax isn't working very well neither did Hoya - Pentax either.

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I think it's still too early to judge on Ricoh's direction with Pentax. A lot of what we have seen has been refreshes or the winding down of Hoya-era products. I think the next generation is when we are going to see what kind of vision they have for the company. And let's face it, Ricoh has had some great, if limited and quirky camera offerings lately. I'm certainly not concerned about the design of future products.

I also don't know if I agree that Pentax should be number 3. Remember, when Sony bought the K-M camera division was just when the Playstation generation was hitting their 20s and getting interested in photography. The Sony brand has/had at that point cachet that Pentax could only dream about for the past couple of decades. It's a hard obstacle to overcome for a small (at the time) company like Pentax/Hoya. Plus, Olympus and Panasonic have both had similar opportunities to Pentax to grab the number 3 spot, and despite grabbing the MILC market have not been able to do so either.

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Yes Hoya does have experience of optics (Tokina) as we all know. It was quite clear to many of us that the Pentax buy out was mostly to get the medical division which is seen as a far sounder investment (not sure about the lenses for glasses business I assume that's part of it)

I don't really care if the bloke down the street buys Pentax "if" they have an idea of what to do and some vision.
Ricoh, well they are similar to Konica Minolta in their print/copy business side of things, but they have nothing of the kind of expertise or vision that Minolta had in the camera industry.
So far Ricoh have done little to impress, and this new "HD" coating and red ring just looks like an excuse to put the prices up "again" on the same lenses.

I for one am not fooled by this ploy at all. But back to Ricoh they are a bit player in the camera market cruel but true, the GX-R was a big flop, they had potential years ago with the GR-D and RX premium compact market and the new model looks decent, but it's all too late really, everyone else took the prizes for that market. I personally don't see this lasting that long or being a successful venture for either company. I don't think Ricoh have the vision to take Pentax forward, they just seems to increase prices and hope to suck out some more profits.

It's actually a bit embarrassing as Pentax should be a clear no. 3 with all the strange choices and changes of direction Sony have done over the years.
Ricoh- Pentax isn't working very well neither did Hoya - Pentax either.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mr Spocko Quote
Yes Hoya does have experience of optics (Tokina) as we all know. It was quite clear to many of us that the Pentax buy out was mostly to get the medical division which is seen as a far sounder investment (not sure about the lenses for glasses business I assume that's part of it)

I don't really care if the bloke down the street buys Pentax "if" they have an idea of what to do and some vision.
Ricoh, well they are similar to Konica Minolta in their print/copy business side of things, but they have nothing of the kind of expertise or vision that Minolta had in the camera industry.
So far Ricoh have done little to impress, and this new "HD" coating and red ring just looks like an excuse to put the prices up "again" on the same lenses.

I for one am not fooled by this ploy at all. But back to Ricoh they are a bit player in the camera market cruel but true, the GX-R was a big flop, they had potential years ago with the GR-D and RX premium compact market and the new model looks decent, but it's all too late really, everyone else took the prizes for that market. I personally don't see this lasting that long or being a successful venture for either company. I don't think Ricoh have the vision to take Pentax forward, they just seems to increase prices and hope to suck out some more profits.

It's actually a bit embarrassing as Pentax should be a clear no. 3 with all the strange choices and changes of direction Sony have done over the years.
Ricoh- Pentax isn't working very well neither did Hoya - Pentax either.
The new model is a bit more than decent according to reviews from around the web. Canon's G1x isn't selling to the same degree and nor is the CoolPix A. Both are steady in stock, while the GR continues to sell out. I have to disagree that the GR is "too late" It's infact the first of it's kind. Super compact camera with lots of external controls and a large sensor (more than 1").

Only recently have we seen compacts breech the 1/1.7" sensor size. Starting with the X10 (2/3") and the RX100 (1"). How is the GR "too late?"

Pentax has been dying for years... ever since the introduction of the K-mount...
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QuoteOriginally posted by theperception2008 Quote
The new model is a bit more than decent according to reviews from around the web. Canon's G1x isn't selling to the same degree and nor is the CoolPix A. Both are steady in stock, while the GR continues to sell out. I have to disagree that the GR is "too late" It's infact the first of it's kind. Super compact camera with lots of external controls and a large sensor (more than 1").

Only recently have we seen compacts breech the 1/1.7" sensor size. Starting with the X10 (2/3") and the RX100 (1"). How is the GR "too late?"

Pentax has been dying for years... ever since the introduction of the K-mount...
The 2/3" sensor size is not new. It was rehashed by Fuji. However, it's still a small sensor, unfortunately. The most significant small sensor is the Sony 1", in terms of a departure from those tiny sensors up to 2/3.
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From what I've seen up to now is exactly what Ricoh said they were doing (that was 2 years ago):

- Compact camera stuff will bear the Ricoh name
- "Professional" i.e. more advanced/higher end stuff will bear the Pentax name

So I'm confident we will hear some EXCITING NEWS in 7 days. The revamp of the DA Limiteds was just the tip of the iceberg, to make the system more homogenous in anticipation of the still-to-be-announced new series of lenses
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Precisely.

QuoteOriginally posted by Asahiflex Quote
From what I've seen up to now is exactly what Ricoh said they were doing (that was 2 years ago):

- Compact camera stuff will bear the Ricoh name
- "Professional" i.e. more advanced/higher end stuff will bear the Pentax name

So I'm confident we will hear some EXCITING NEWS in 7 days. The revamp of the DA Limiteds was just the tip of the iceberg, to make the system more homogenous in anticipation of the still-to-be-announced new series of lenses
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QuoteOriginally posted by Asahiflex Quote
So I'm confident we will hear some EXCITING NEWS in 7 days. The revamp of the DA Limiteds was just the tip of the iceberg, to make the system more homogenous in anticipation of the still-to-be-announced new series of lenses
I just bought a case of popcorn. Wanna grab a beer and watch with me?
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