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08-30-2013, 03:19 AM   #391
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QuoteOriginally posted by Caat Quote
TBH I think that the Ltds cover all the major prime focal length bases now. A fisheye Ltd might be interesting - and the HD coating would be good on that - or maybe adding a longer macro. However I think the line up is mature now.

The Ltd zoom seems a little pointless to me. The focal length looks like it could be quite restricted like this lens: M 24-35/3.5
Let's wait and see - many thought the DA35 Ltd was pointless before people started using it

A fisheye ltd or a wider than 15mm WA would be cool. I wonder if it would be possible at all to make a compact lens in the 10-12mm range?
But if they could make a very sharp fish eye with minimal CA, it could even double as a rectalinear WA (by defishing)

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QuoteOriginally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Quote
Do you have any hard data on this please? Exactly how unreliable is SDM? I've not encountered this problem in my Pentax lenses as yet: the only lens motor that has failed on me was in a (very) expensive Nikon zoom. I'm thinking of buying another DA* zoom soon (the 16-50 or the 50-135), so I'd appreciate some facts about this "problem".
I have no experience with the DC motor. On the other hand, of the SDM lenses I have bought, I had a 2nd hand DA*16-50, and a new one bought last November, both fail on me. One has been repaired under warrantee (and still works), and the other has been converted to screw-drive. My first DA*55 had a broken SDM right out of the box, but the replacement has been fine for over a year. My DA*50-135, DA*300 and (now sold) DA*60-250 have had no problems. That is a nearly 50% failure rate....

They are all wonderful lenses in every other respect.
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I think they should have kept the green ring rather than copy the red ring from Canon.

I think Pentax lenses in general could use a bit of an update, so in principle this is a good thing. However, they should have taken the opportunity to redesign the 21mm to make it a tad faster (f/2.8), reduce the barrel distortion and maybe increase sharpness wide open.

The apparent price increase is disheartening as the current limited lenses are already over-priced for the optics they offer.

What the limited line really needs is expansion - a new 35mm f/1.4 like that offered by Fuji has been missing for a very long time. Fuji are fast over-taking Pentax as having the best APS-C lens line-up available. Yes, it will be larger than current DA ltd lenses but I'm confident that it could be made no bigger than an M series 50/1.4. A longer ltd lens would also be nice, a 100mm f/2.4 for example. On paper this would be close to the 100mm macro, but would be much smaller without the macro capabilities.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jonathan Mac Quote
I think they should have kept the green ring rather than copy the red ring from Canon.
Wasn't aware that using colors constitutes "copy".

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QuoteOriginally posted by kpevav Quote
Is it a bad time to buy a K-5 IIs, as the price might fall with a K3 announcement?
If the K-3 features are such a leap ahead from the K-5IIs to make you buy the more expensive K-3 instead, the best time to buy a K-5IIs is probably now. That way you'll save money and have a great camera, regardless of what the price does afterwards.

Don't compare prices of one given product over time, you should compare prices of the different products you would buy at any given moment over time.

On a related note, personally I will see what's announced. Here my possible scenario's:
A) The K-3 abandons the K-7/5/5II(s) form factor, thus requiring me to purchase a new grip (batteries?) and a new focus screen.
--> A1) The new features (exploiting hidden novelties in the new flashes?) are a large leap: I'll make the investment into the K-3
--> A2) Any new features will not impact my photography: I'll upgrade from the K-5 to the K-5IIs.
B) The K-3 retains the K-7/5/5II(s) form factor: I'll get the K-3 for sure
C) No K-3 is announced: I'll probably stick with my K-5 a while longer.

Of course that's assuming a new camera will be announced and that new camera will be a step up from the K-5IIs... We've been excited about upcoming announcements before and wrong dates for announcements have been rumoured before. A press conference may just repeat what press releases have made known before. I wouldn't be surprised that the HD versions of the DA limiteds and the new flashes are the full story...

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QuoteOriginally posted by Caat Quote
The Ltd zoom seems a little pointless to me. The focal length looks like it could be quite restricted
A lot of users are happy with the FA 20-35/4.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jonathan Mac Quote
I think they should have kept the green ring rather than copy the red ring from Canon.

I think Pentax lenses in general could use a bit of an update, so in principle this is a good thing. However, they should have taken the opportunity to redesign the 21mm to make it a tad faster (f/2.8), reduce the barrel distortion and maybe increase sharpness wide open.

The apparent price increase is disheartening as the current limited lenses are already over-priced for the optics they offer.

What the limited line really needs is expansion - a new 35mm f/1.4 like that offered by Fuji has been missing for a very long time. Fuji are fast over-taking Pentax as having the best APS-C lens line-up available. Yes, it will be larger than current DA ltd lenses but I'm confident that it could be made no bigger than an M series 50/1.4. A longer ltd lens would also be nice, a 100mm f/2.4 for example. On paper this would be close to the 100mm macro, but would be much smaller without the macro capabilities.
It helps when you have a 17.7 mm registration distance (Fujifilm X-mount).
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jonathan Mac Quote
Fuji are fast over-taking Pentax as having the best APS-C lens line-up available.
I will dispute this. Such an assertion is made using spec sheets, decoupled from the actual performance and intents. For instance, Pentax's focus, even the annoying stuff on the K-5 v.1 is still lightyears better and faster than any of the X-cameras. And focuses in lower light.

Fuji's support for RAW is still poor. Can possible be resolved using more cooperation between them and software developers, but it's not to be yet.

Their faked ISO values further reduce how good they are to "alternate".

No IBIS. Sony's NEX line will add that in the coming year, so we'll have a lot more to be excited about from their camp. Plus superior, on-sensor PD, great EVFs, excellent video, and so on.

they are doing many things right, however. They are not fully there, but regardless, lots of good stuff there.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Asahiflex Quote
But... Still the same problem: nothing new, only a repackaging/minor update of already existing lenses...
I would be interested in seeing what the HD coatings or Aerobright Coatings could do on some of the other FA lenses such as the FA 35 and FA 50/1.4 not to mention the FA 77 LTD. A release of the A 50/1.2 would be interesting as well.

QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
A lot of users are happy with the FA 20-35/4.
That would be another good one to release with the HD or Aerobright Coatings.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jonathan Mac Quote
I think they should have kept the green ring rather than copy the red ring from Canon.

I think Pentax lenses in general could use a bit of an update, so in principle this is a good thing. However, they should have taken the opportunity to redesign the 21mm to make it a tad faster (f/2.8), reduce the barrel distortion and maybe increase sharpness wide open.

The apparent price increase is disheartening as the current limited lenses are already over-priced for the optics they offer.

What the limited line really needs is expansion - a new 35mm f/1.4 like that offered by Fuji has been missing for a very long time. Fuji are fast over-taking Pentax as having the best APS-C lens line-up available. Yes, it will be larger than current DA ltd lenses but I'm confident that it could be made no bigger than an M series 50/1.4. A longer ltd lens would also be nice, a 100mm f/2.4 for example. On paper this would be close to the 100mm macro, but would be much smaller without the macro capabilities.
The thing is that this will help distinguish the current DA LTD lenses from the HD ones. Perhaps they could have used Blue and give me lenses to compare.
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The thing is that this will help distinguish the current DA LTD lenses from the HD ones. Perhaps they could have used Blue and give me lenses to compare.
If they did, people would be saying that they are copying Schneider-Kreuznach lenses
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That would be another good one to release with the HD or Aerobright Coatings.
I'm guessing that the Limited zoom will be an update of the FA 20-35/4, so it may happen!
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If they did, people would be saying that they are copying Schneider-Kreuznach lenses
At least on Samsung DSLRs, it was "Schneider-Kreuznach" that copied Pentax.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jonathan Mac Quote
I think they should have kept the green ring rather than copy the red ring from Canon.

I think Pentax lenses in general could use a bit of an update, so in principle this is a good thing. However, they should have taken the opportunity to redesign the 21mm to make it a tad faster (f/2.8), reduce the barrel distortion and maybe increase sharpness wide open.

The apparent price increase is disheartening as the current limited lenses are already over-priced for the optics they offer.

What the limited line really needs is expansion - a new 35mm f/1.4 like that offered by Fuji has been missing for a very long time. Fuji are fast over-taking Pentax as having the best APS-C lens line-up available. Yes, it will be larger than current DA ltd lenses but I'm confident that it could be made no bigger than an M series 50/1.4. A longer ltd lens would also be nice, a 100mm f/2.4 for example. On paper this would be close to the 100mm macro, but would be much smaller without the macro capabilities.
What are you talking about? Apparently people think the limited lenses are priced too cheap! and PF agree and put his view on front page.
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It's interesting how the the green ring on Pentax lenses became the "iconic green ring" only this week. I'm still distraught about the demise of the "iconic Pentax grey plastic" of my F35-70 and the "iconic blue printed numbers" on my FA24-90. But this betrayal will become unbearable when Ricoh deprives us of the "iconic mint and pink leatherette" possible with the K-50!
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