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09-02-2013, 04:22 AM   #436
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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
I commented on this a couple of months ago (long before the "HD" version). Since the lens in the GR gets a lot of praise, the GR is really an interesting alternative to the DA21!
Well, if tests and numerous examples posted are to be believed, DA21 is a second-rate design compared to GR's lens.

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DA21 isn't the most interesting limited lens out there. The thread title is open to debate "new" well there were no new lens announcements just a paint job/price increase/and rounded aperture blades
GR looks decent enough, mostly as it's got a big sensor. 28mm isn't my first choice though for a fixed prime equivalent it's too wide. A mistake both Ricoh and Nikon made. Still you get a lot more for your money than you did with the original GR (sensor wise anyway)
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mr Spocko Quote
DA21 isn't the most interesting limited lens out there. The thread title is open to debate "new" well there were no new lens announcements just a paint job/price increase/and rounded aperture blades
GR looks decent enough, mostly as it's got a big sensor. 28mm isn't my first choice though for a fixed prime equivalent it's too wide. A mistake both Ricoh and Nikon made. Still you get a lot more for your money than you did with the original GR (sensor wise anyway)
Early reports indicate the GR's 35 mm (equiv.) crop mode works quite well.
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I've just looked at what the new HD Limiteds have gone on sale for at the local place here - the items are now on their website. Not all prices in GBP have increased equally but ...

Lens Was Now Increase %
15mm 589 589 0.00*
21mm 395 589 49.11
35mm 369 639 73.17
40mm 319 439 37.62
70mm 439 639 45.56

Total 2111 2895 37.14

* (the older lens is out of stock, so a guess)

I know they are good lenses, but these are dealer web prices and boy is that what one might call a price increase. They surely aren't expecting to sell many in the West. I mean, add on a body and think what else you can buy with 3500 gbp - FF in a 6D or D600 and 2000 gbp to spend on lenses, for a start. It's pretty sobering. I wonder what the Ricoh game plan is.


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QuoteOriginally posted by mecrox Quote
I've just looked at what the new HD Limiteds have gone on sale for at the local place here - the items are now on their website. Not all prices in GBP have increased equally but ...

Lens Was Now Increase %
15mm589 589 0.00*
21mm395 589 49.11
35mm369 639 73.17
40mm319 439 37.62
70mm439 639 45.56

Total2111 2895 37.14

* (the older lens is out of stock, so a guess)

I know they are good lenses, but these are dealer web prices and boy is that what one might call a price increase. They surely aren't expecting to sell many in the West. I mean, add on a body and think what else you can buy with 3500 gbp - FF in a 6D or D600 and 2000 gbp to spend on lenses, for a start. It's pretty sobering. I wonder what the Ricoh game plan is.
Now are those prices special deals too? Because the original 35mm goes for $599 locally

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Either they plan some heavy discounting or they are going to lose a lot of sales & customers.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Wired Quote
Now are those prices special deals too? Because the original 35mm goes for $599 locally
The prices at this dealer do fluctuate but for all except the DA 40mm which is always a bit cheaper, 350-499 would be in the ballpark for a Limited over the past 2-3 years except for the DA 15mm which has always cost a lot more. Over the past year, however, I think prices have drifted down somewhat. OTOH, for some perspective, in 2007 I paid 209 brand-new for my DA 21mm.

FWIW, 599 dollars is around 385 gbp, not a lot more than the 369 on offer currently here.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mecrox Quote
in 2007 I paid 209 brand-new for my DA 21mm.
People forget that the Yen went through the roof starting in 2007 at the dawn of the global financial crisis. And there was substantial over-inventory. Fire sales in 2007-2009, and since production has been curtailed and the Yen has been aggressively driven down.

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I don't think there are fire sales of merchandises until late 2008 and early 2009.

QuoteOriginally posted by Jonathan Mac Quote
Either they plan some heavy discounting or they are going to lose a lot of sales & customers.
The only thing I can think of is that after the price increases in the US, Ricoh got an increase in profit and revenue, so they're normalizing the prices relative to the US prices :/

I don't know why the 15mm is the same price as 21mm, which seems to cost less to make.
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QuoteOriginally posted by dankoBanana Quote
I have to say that I agree with a comment made on the photorumors link that its a bit ridiculous to replace the name SMC with HD. SMC is know for 40+ years while HD is just another abbreviation that has no connection with Pentax. They should have named it SMC HD.
Super Multi Coating rings a bit silly with 2013 ears as oposed to 1971 when it may have sounded contemporary. The same is true for the "*" designation; hopefully to dissapear as well.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Na Horuk Quote
What I gather from this HD is that Pentax is planning on announcing a camera with a high pixel density (higher than current cameras), which needs the best resolution. And HD coatings are part of that. But these are still APS-C lenses.
I am glad they are improving their products, shows the company is not stagnating
Spot on. And also signalized that the high-end APS is part of Pentax plan and marked approach (as oposed to bottom end FF promoted by some). The coming camera is probably close to a "Limited" style camera possibly offered in both black and chrome like the Limiteds. Add the Limited zoom to the line-up and Pentax have an unique, compact high-quality system.
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I wouldn't go as far as to talk about a new camera's styling, but the message is clear: "we'll keep those DA Limiteds for a while, so why not update them with our second-best coating?".
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Eh, I don't think that the * listing rings as old fashioned. The problem I've had with it, however, is that it makes it difficult to do web searches for * items, since it acts as a wildcard on most search engines.


QuoteOriginally posted by Pål Jensen Quote
Super Multi Coating rings a bit silly with 2013 ears as oposed to 1971 when it may have sounded contemporary. The same is true for the "*" designation; hopefully to dissapear as well.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
"why not update them with our second-best coating?"
Well, HD is supposedly more durable than the "best" coating.

I expect my lenses to stay consistent over many years of use,
so I'd prefer HD over Aero Bright.
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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
Well, HD is supposedly more durable than the "best" coating.

I expect my lenses to stay consistent over many years of use,
so I'd prefer HD over Aero Bright.
Apparently, ABC coating has bad wear characteristics, and can't be used for most important elements. Thus it is used for inside elements.
With good coating you can do this, for example:


I'd expect this is what HD is supposed to be too. Anyone willing to try?
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