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09-15-2013, 12:33 PM   #496
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Looks good on a Nikon, though.



(This wasn't meant as a compliment, if anyone should think so)

09-15-2013, 01:34 PM   #497
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For sure, Nikon gear is also ugly
09-15-2013, 01:48 PM   #498
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Wouldn't it be exaggerated to ask you what kind of differences you've felt or seen ?
Can you objectivise your fellings ?
Details; HD coated lens elements have a different reflective index and look 'more invisible', or more transparent. They 'suck you inside' so to speak. Markings are simplified, only one colour used, writing is a bit different so the feel of quality metal construction is even more visually enhanced. Lenses were brand new, well lubricated, and it seemed they give a bit different response in manual focusing. DA15 and DA70 feel similar, DA40 feels better than SMC (at least my copy of it, which was brand new anyway).
However, I had so little time allowed, rep breathing above my neck, so I didn't check the lens contact pins! I totally forgot about it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by deus ursus Quote
Looks good on a Nikon, though.



(This wasn't meant as a compliment, if anyone should think so)
My significant other recently told me "you make any shirt look spectacular"....perhaps that wasn't the compliment I initially thought that it was....

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Another opportunity for weatherproofing missed!
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QuoteOriginally posted by kivis Quote
Another opportunity for weatherproofing missed!
I don't think one can WR the DA Limiteds without adding bulk and dealing with the quick-shift.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
I don't think one can WR the DA Limiteds without adding bulk and dealing with the quick-shift.
I dont mind no quick shift if I can get WR Maybe Ricoh doesnt share the same view though
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Are Leica lenses weather sealed?

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Are Leica lenses weather sealed?
Nope. Never been. Nor the camera bodies.
And photographers were taking Leica cameras and lenses through rain, snow and torture, war zones, bringing back amazing and most iconic images in the history of photography.

So what we witness today with all these impossible requests, is nothing but an excuse, to justify one's lack of commitment to stop crying but be imaginative and do the work.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
Nope. Never been. Nor the camera bodies.
And photographers were taking Leica cameras and lenses through rain, snow and torture, war zones, bringing back amazing and most iconic images in the history of photography.

So what we witness today with all these impossible requests, is nothing but an excuse, to justify one's lack of commitment to stop crying but be imaginative and do the work.
No. It comes from the experience of standing in damp weather in the mountains or near a waterfall and not being able to take a photo because lens and lcd on the body both was foggy. With regard to Leica: Old Leicas were simple, mechanic things, it is the electronics in modern dslrs that warrant extra concern. If I am somewhere, say India or Laos I simply want to minimize the risk that my gear stop working.

Wrt to Limiteds I think a lot of them live an easy life in the cupboard. I am always curious how all lenses in the for sale section are "as new". My lenses surely don't look as new any more.
09-16-2013, 12:41 AM   #506
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
Nope. Never been. Nor the camera bodies.
And photographers were taking Leica cameras and lenses through rain, snow and torture, war zones, bringing back amazing and most iconic images in the history of photography.

So what we witness today with all these impossible requests, is nothing but an excuse, to justify one's lack of commitment to stop crying but be imaginative and do the work.
The Leica M (240) is marketed as splash-proof. Leica Camera AG - Photography - LEICA M
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Thanks to the many years of experience gathered by our engineers in the construction of camera bodies, the new Leica M is built without compromise for maximum stability and perfect sealing. Its top and base plates are machined from solid brass, and its full-metal body is manufactured in one piece from high-strength magnesium alloy. Specially designed rubber seals protect the camera body against dust and water spray. The glass covering plate of its high-resolution monitor screen is manufactured from particularly tough and scratch-resistant Corning® Gorilla® glass. All this makes the Leica M particularly resilient and helps guarantee it a long and reliable working life.
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It's been said before in this thread, but if you're plodding around in inclement conditions, why do you have a prime lens mounted to your sensitive electronic camera anyway? Aren't the odds excellent that you'll want/need to change lenses at some point, thus exposing everything to the elements? WR seems mostly useful for zooms or macros, to me. Could they keep the DA35 Ltd tiny and light with all the internal seals (not to mention a motor)? Keep these wonderful lenses small, light, and somewhat affordable, please.
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QuoteOriginally posted by shiner Quote
It's been said before in this thread, but if you're plodding around in inclement conditions, why do you have a prime lens mounted to your sensitive electronic camera anyway? Aren't the odds excellent that you'll want/need to change lenses at some point, thus exposing everything to the elements? WR seems mostly useful for zooms or macros, to me. Could they keep the DA35 Ltd tiny and light with all the internal seals (not to mention a motor)? Keep these wonderful lenses small, light, and somewhat affordable, please.
Your thinking is incorrect.

People who use one prime (and there are many) might only use one and only prime.
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QuoteOriginally posted by shiner Quote
It's been said before in this thread, but if you're plodding around in inclement conditions, why do you have a prime lens mounted to your sensitive electronic camera anyway? Aren't the odds excellent that you'll want/need to change lenses at some point, thus exposing everything to the elements? WR seems mostly useful for zooms or macros, to me. Could they keep the DA35 Ltd tiny and light with all the internal seals (not to mention a motor)? Keep these wonderful lenses small, light, and somewhat affordable, please.
I second that. One more thing though: When you need WR, the atmosphere is laden with water drops / snow / dust particles, etc, then there is no benefit in the extra resolution obtained from using a prime. The Atmosphere will soften up the image anyway. So you can just as well use a super/ultrazoom and prevent the need for lens swaps alltogether.

If they have to increased the size of the limiteds, then "making them faster" is a much better reason then adding WR.

Of course, some zoom lenses to compliment the current WR offerings would be very nice. A WR zoomlens from X to 18mm would be very sweet.

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QuoteOriginally posted by shiner Quote
It's been said before in this thread, but if you're plodding around in inclement conditions, why do you have a prime lens mounted to your sensitive electronic camera anyway? Aren't the odds excellent that you'll want/need to change lenses at some point, thus exposing everything to the elements? WR seems mostly useful for zooms or macros, to me. Could they keep the DA35 Ltd tiny and light with all the internal seals (not to mention a motor)? Keep these wonderful lenses small, light, and somewhat affordable, please.
Because when I leave the door for a trip it is for weeks or months and I have to consider closely what I bring - I don't have an assistant to carry all that gear. I much prefer primes for general use. I have both the 12-24 and the 21 ltd so I have to pick one to take with me in the backpack, and I just don't enjoy using the zoom. I also expect the simpler construction of primes make them less likely to stop working.

Your points are perfectly valid of course. On the other hand, if I am to buy two big general zooms anyway, then Pentax looses its relevance for me and I would benefit from better support options from Canikon (as in being able to buy a new lens if the old one is toast). I have travelled a lot in India and SE Asia and you can find a dealer or two in Bangkok, Singapore and KL but apart from that Pentax is not present. I realize my use is beyond what 99% here is doing. If Ricoh are serious about that "adventure" tag, they could call me though, because I am living it and have done so for a handfull of years ;-) (travelling around the world on a bicycle) Really, what I suggest is that Ricoh extends the DA* line with two offerings wider than 40mm. I don't see why that would be controversial and I think it is more relevant than making more tiny Limiteds. In particular since I don't see size being a major selling point in the future. Even if those Limiteds look nice on the shelf.

But actually, none of this is something that is causing sleepless nights for me. I - and others I am sure - is watching these threads to see if there are indications that Ricoh will address the wants I have. For two years very little have happened and those two years follows other two years under HOYA management where next to nothing DLSR-related happened. Unlike many here, I have no sentimental reasons for staying with Pentax but I would hate to have to change system because I hate buying/selling stuff and I don't have any desire to spend hours and days examining Nikon and Canon and their relative pros and cons.
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