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09-22-2013, 04:25 AM - 2 Likes   #556
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QuoteOriginally posted by mrbrightside Quote
Recently, a friend of mine wants to get into photography -- I tell him to go either Nikon or Canon; it's a no brainer.
I think you made him into a storm trooper Boba Fett clone. I always give advice to everyone to go and try different ideas about photography, not most common ones. Living on Nikon and Canon DSLRs is same as eating cabbage soup one day, and soupe aux choux the next day.
Which is, it's one and the same thing.

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QuoteOriginally posted by mrbrightside Quote
There is no value now at the current prices; there will be no value when Ricoh release a new Pentax camera. I can get Canon or Nikon lenses with lower prices, more features, and faster. The only reason to keep using Pentax is if you already have the lenses. I used to recommend Pentax to people I know because of the value a few years ago; I do the math, compare features, look at market share (which implies certain level of support from 3rd party). Recently, a friend of mine wants to get into photography -- I tell him to go either Nikon or Canon; it's a no brainer.
Same here, I stopped recommending Pentax a while ago. I do not want to be responsible for it when they start regretting their choice. Because the chance that they eventually will regret it, is quite high now. I personally cannot see what advantage Pentax has over the other brands.
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Same here, I stopped recommending Pentax a while ago. I do not want to be responsible for it when they start regretting their choice. Because the chance that they eventually will regret it, is quite high now. I personally cannot see what advantage Pentax has over the other brands.
True. Specially after the price increase of their new and old lenses.
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These new hd da lenses have been released for several days, is there any reviews or sample images?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
Same here, I stopped recommending Pentax a while ago. I do not want to be responsible for it when they start regretting their choice. Because the chance that they eventually will regret it, is quite high now. I personally cannot see what advantage Pentax has over the other brands.
Whilst I adore my K-5, I can easily see how I would have been better going with other brands, and as such I find it hard to recommend Pentax to friends, though I did try to convince my brother to get a K-30 over a 60D, but he wanted to shoot video as well and has a mate who sings the praises of the magic lamp hack so it was kind of a non-starter. He did concede that the K-30 is the best value for a stills camera out there now. Especially considering he's unlikely to buy any other lenses that aren't old manual focus rimes or whatever.

And he's peeved that his canon kit lens isn't weather sealed. Other than that he's loving it, and it's a fantastic camera, but it is enormous.

Pentax currently has value for people who want nothing other than the kit lenses and an excellent high-value body, so marketing a high-end body like this is going to be difficult unless they can make something incredible.
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These new hd da lenses have been released for several days, is there any reviews or sample images?
The other thing is the last FW releases have some sort of suppport for the new lens coatings, so I wonder if that means some rendering will be altered due to that.

I guess the only way to know is to compare on the old FW against new FW or tape the connections.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mareket Quote
Pentax currently has value for people who want nothing other than the kit lenses and an excellent high-value body, so marketing a high-end body like this is going to be difficult unless they can make something incredible.
Yeah, right. I have no kit lens, but one DA* (the 60-250) and 3 Limiteds (21, 35, 70) - I'm tempted to make that 4.
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I envy you...and follow right behind.. I'm saving right now for 60-250 and one HD DA lens(15).

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The one that really interests me is the DA40, even though I'm more enticed by the Voigtlaender 40 F2 due to the speed, even without the AF. It will be interesting to see the prelim tests and I can't imagine no one from the site, or behind the scenes isn't already testing.

I can imagine, however, that the difference is minor, if at all. I would think it akin more to a vendor change/material change as is common in industry.
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I recommended a K-5 to my cousin's husband a couple of years ago. He ended up getting the Nikon D7000 with a kit zoom because he's brand-conscious. He takes vacation snapshots and like others was programmed to think that DSLR=quality. He's not curious enough about photography to investigate other brands and other platforms (i.e., mirrorless). Hasn't bought another lens since, so all of the supposed benefits of the Nikon ecosystem don't mean anything to him. If anything, the K-5 with a WR lens would have been a better choice since he's taken up surfing and is often on the beach.

I wouldn't hesitate recommending the K-50 or K-500 with one of the WR zooms for someone wanting a high quality, adventure-ready camera. All this pixel peeping and high ISO shadow noise and dynamic range is nothing but gobblygook for most people.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Yeah, right. I have no kit lens, but one DA* (the 60-250) and 3 Limiteds (21, 35, 70) - I'm tempted to make that 4.
The Limiteds against Oly's offerings are losing their edge, and Oly EM5 is smaller, lighter and faster focusing. Don't get me wrong, I love the glass, but I find it hard to think why I'd recommend Pentax to someone who's looking for a system with high-end glass. The only thing I can think of is the ergonomics, the looks, maybe the build and finish of the limiteds and the fact that it's the only system that's really dedicated to APS-C with a mirror at the moment. Maybe old K-mount glass if they're into that? But you're probably better adapting with a Nex or whatever. DA* are fantastic, but in that price range they're not unique, other than for sealing. Though I've heard people return to Pentax for the 60-250 and 55, so maybe I got the wrong DA*s.

K-30/50/500 however, with WR kit lenses kills everything else on it's knees if you want a DSLR. I want to see how these new Limiteds fare, they certainly look the part and they play into the strengths I mentioned above. The pricing is insane, but hey, some of the Oly lenses are murderously expensive. Maybe Pentax can pull it off.
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The other thing is the last FW releases have some sort of suppport for the new lens coatings, so I wonder if that means some rendering will be altered due to that.

I guess the only way to know is to compare on the old FW against new FW or tape the connections.
The new firmware it to optimize CDAF performance on HD Ltd, I doubt that has anything to do with the HD coating.
It might not even mean that HD Ltd has improved CDAF performance over SMC Ltd, maybe just that cameras without firmware update HD Ltd will perform worse than SMC Ltd. The update might just make the cameras recognize HD Ltd so it will use optimal CDAF.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Fogel70 Quote
The new firmware it to optimize CDAF performance on HD Ltd, I doubt that has anything to do with the HD coating.
It might not even mean that HD Ltd has improved CDAF performance over SMC Ltd, maybe just that cameras without firmware update HD Ltd will perform worse than SMC Ltd. The update might just make the cameras recognize HD Ltd so it will use optimal CDAF.
Lens upgrades are a delicate thing. It may also be a certain camera colour profile of the sorts that is needed for the best use of new lenses.
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Lens upgrades are a delicate thing. It may also be a certain camera colour profile of the sorts that is needed for the best use of new lenses.
The coatings could be dramatic as well going from the SMC & SP to the HD.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mareket Quote
The Limiteds against Oly's offerings are losing their edge, and Oly EM5 is smaller, lighter and faster focusing. Don't get me wrong, I love the glass, but I find it hard to think why I'd recommend Pentax to someone who's looking for a system with high-end glass. The only thing I can think of is the ergonomics, the looks, maybe the build and finish of the limiteds and the fact that it's the only system that's really dedicated to APS-C with a mirror at the moment.
EM5 is small, but it's a mirrorless cam (cannot be compared to dSLRs in this regard) and its lenses are no smaller than Pentax's. I don't quite understand the idea of having a battery grip on the EM5 - the ergonomics of it are no better with it. The K-5 family, OTOH, are very comfortable in the hand, obviously heavier/bulkier, but with the grip actually feels very easy to use. As an APS-C it's a fine spot between u4/3 and FF with quality Limited primes that not only are stunning in rendering and sharpness, but as also small and lightweight. I simply enjoy shooting with the K-5 with or without the grip paired with the FA or DA Limited lenses. And the results never cease to amaze me. That's how I can recommend the Pentax brand.
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