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10-10-2013, 05:43 AM   #736
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QuoteOriginally posted by WerTicus Quote
So the new HD versions are not weather sealed? Missed opportunity there
The selling point of the Limiteds are their size. Making them WR would increase their size. I for one, would rather have the small size. Something like the DA 70mm has quite a good teleophoto reach but you would never know just looking at it, and if you take the hood off its even smaller. The DA* 55 prime lens is not in the same category but has WR but rather too big...

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Hello everybody,

I have DA15 and FA 77, so I have gap between them and I am waiting for new Limited Zoom. Any ideas when we can expect it

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I have DA15 and FA 77, so I have gap between them and I am waiting for new Limited Zoom. Any ideas when we can expect it
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Interesting discussion. I pretty well only use primes (DA Limited and legacy primes) which is the reason for using Pentax, imho. I may be wrong but I don't think you'll get the combination of sharpness and excellent OOF areas come bokeh at wide apertures with a zoom, or with not an average zoom.
Yes indeed, I haven't found any zoom that beats even the lowest of my primes in terms of bokeh, but that's just in my case

For nikon you can get really great zooms indeed but they come at a price... although the last AF-D generation lenses (equivalent to Pentax FA) are excellent, excellent value (I just scored an AF 80-200/2.8 for $300). They have no WR though.

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My prime line up is DA 15 - FA 31 - DA 40 - DA 55 -- FA 77 -- DFA 100 WR. Honestly, I prefer the FA limiteds to the DA limiteds. I feel like I gain more with regard to sharpness and (of course) speed with them than with the DA limiteds. The DA 40 is sharper corner to corner than my DA *16-50, but the big thing is that it is tiny and of course, as you say, much more resistant to flare (should be better with HD coatings).
I owe it to myself to try an FA limited someday after my lineup is complete regarding FL and speed that I need Maybe I should trade my DA 40 for FA 43 but I like it that lens too much... what if I dont like the FA 43? Contrary to people's complaints about the 40's FL I find it perfect for my needs, not too wide, not too tele.

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The selling point of the Limiteds are their size. Making them WR would increase their size. I for one, would rather have the small size. Something like the DA 70mm has quite a good teleophoto reach but you would never know just looking at it, and if you take the hood off its even smaller. The DA* 55 prime lens is not in the same category but has WR but rather too big...
I believe DA 55 is huge because of its optical design and sdm, not particularly because of wr. Nikon's AF-S lenses are huge compared to their AF-D counterpart. Sigma 50/1.4 which performs similarly to the DA* is also pretty big.

DA 1855 WR is practically the same size as the original 1855. However the construction is plastic, so the maybe why its easier to wr. I certainly wouldn't convert my DA Limited to DA L WR even if they're optically the same! Maybe some here would though.


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QuoteOriginally posted by psychdoc Quote
The selling point of the Limiteds are their size. Making them WR would increase their size. I for one, would rather have the small size. Something like the DA 70mm has quite a good teleophoto reach but you would never know just looking at it, and if you take the hood off its even smaller. The DA* 55 prime lens is not in the same category but has WR but rather too big...
I don't know. The DFA 100mm WR is pretty small for what it is. Feels like you could put a gasket on the lens mount and some kind of internal seal without adding a whole lot to the size.
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WR isn't increasing size by anything noticeable. In-lens motor is.
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The lens I'd most like to see (and own) is a FA Limited 24mm. I haven't bought a lens in a long time, but I'd buy that in an instant. Right now my primes are all Voigtlander, 20 through 90mm, plus a Contax/Zeiss 28mm. I prefer the color rendering of the FAs, plus like the Voigtlanders and Zeiss, they keep me ready for FF. As the "normal" lens for APS-C, I use the 28mm more than any other, but I'd would like wider prime that doesn't quite behave as a "wide" lens (like the 20mm or 15mm do IMO), and 24mm would perfect.
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The lens I'd most like to see (and own) is a FA Limited 24mm. I haven't bought a lens in a long time, but I'd buy that in an instant. Right now my primes are all Voigtlander, 20 through 90mm, plus a Contax/Zeiss 28mm. I prefer the color rendering of the FAs, plus like the Voigtlanders and Zeiss, they keep me ready for FF. As the "normal" lens for APS-C, I use the 28mm more than any other, but I'd would like wider prime that doesn't quite behave as a "wide" lens (like the 20mm or 15mm do IMO), and 24mm would perfect.
Isnt' FA* 24mm basically 24mm limited?

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QuoteOriginally posted by les3547 Quote
The lens I'd most like to see (and own) is a FA Limited 24mm. I haven't bought a lens in a long time, but I'd buy that in an instant. Right now my primes are all Voigtlander, 20 through 90mm, plus a Contax/Zeiss 28mm. I prefer the color rendering of the FAs, plus like the Voigtlanders and Zeiss, they keep me ready for FF. As the "normal" lens for APS-C, I use the 28mm more than any other, but I'd would like wider prime that doesn't quite behave as a "wide" lens (like the 20mm or 15mm do IMO), and 24mm would perfect.
In that situation, the ZK 25/2.8 Distagon is worth considering.
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Isnt' FA* 24mm basically 24mm limited?
I suppose I should be happy with what the FA* 24mm offers in terms of photo quality, but (no offence to FA owners) I am really turned off by the aesthetics of the bulky, windowed FA look. The relatively compact FA Limiteds, to me, are a beautiful design.
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In that situation, the ZK 25/2.8 Distagon is worth considering.
I actually owned that, but returned it because the resolution was so bad. I now assume I had a bad copy, though a member who owns one here called his a "brick" that didn't seem worth the price. I have, however, been tempted by the Contax-Zeiss 25mm, which can be picked up for about half the price (of course, then the adapter cost has to be added in). I don't know why, but have always thought of 24mm as a magic FL, plus 25mm is a bit close to my 28mm, so 25mm doesn't quite do it for me.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Andi Lo Quote
Yes indeed, I haven't found any zoom that beats even the lowest of my primes in terms of bokeh, but that's just in my case

For nikon you can get really great zooms indeed but they come at a price... although the last AF-D generation lenses (equivalent to Pentax FA) are excellent, excellent value (I just scored an AF 80-200/2.8 for $300). They have no WR though.
Getting a full frame, high quality zoom from Nikon is going to be cheaper than getting 3 Pentax HD primes.
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Getting a full frame, high quality zoom from Nikon is going to be cheaper than getting 3 Pentax HD primes.
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And it weighs more than all five DA Limiteds put together.

If that's your thing, then by all means, go for it.
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Getting a full frame, high quality zoom from Nikon is going to be cheaper than getting 3 Pentax HD primes.
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I've argued for the other side (FF) but if you're even making this comparison, you dont get the point of the DA lim lenses. Even in APS world you can also get the Sigma 10-20 and Tamron 28-75 and basically cover the whole DA limited range. DA lims is for ease of shooting, portability, size, while having no compromise on image quality, especially as the lot of them renders very beautiful saturated colors with amazing contrast.

If these things doesnt matter for you in day to day shooting, by all means go ahead and use the Nikon. I use 28-75 + D600 for my paid work and won't go back to APS primes for to fulfill that role. However that combo is nowhere as fun or feels like an extension of my hand more than the DA 40 (and my takumars, "poor man's limited" )

If you're just jabbing at the pricing... I agree with you that the current pricing of HD DA Ltd is rather ridiculous, but it will hopefully go down in time.

I've heard someone saying that it's still cheap though, reasoning that the Ltd series deserve to be compared to the best of Leica lenses.

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The only lenses I know of that had some comparison to Leica are the FA Limiteds, not the HD or DA.
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And it weighs more than all five DA Limiteds put together.

If that's your thing, then by all means, go for it.
I'm only replying to the price comment.

If wasting money is your thing, then by all means, go for it.
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