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10-10-2013, 02:42 PM   #751
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Hey, I'm just pointing out that there just might be some reasons to prefer the Limiteds over a large, heavy zoom. Weight is just the tip of the iceberg. I also like how they render, and how primes make me think about photography.

I guess you're entitled to your opinion that I'm wasting my money. If a big zoom is what you like, then use it! If "lower price, more features, and faster" meet all your needs, then I'll posit that the Limiteds are not for you. And honestly, Pentax might not be for you.

But I have to ask - what are you doing in this thread?

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Isn't wasting money why we got into photography in the first place?
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QuoteOriginally posted by mattb123 Quote
Isn't wasting money why we got into photography in the first place?
No. It's not why we got into photography, its what we wound up doing after we got into it. Especially after frequenting photo forums like these!!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Quicksand Quote
Hey, I'm just pointing out that there just might be some reasons to prefer the Limiteds over a large, heavy zoom. Weight is just the tip of the iceberg. I also like how they render, and how primes make me think about photography.

I guess you're entitled to your opinion that I'm wasting my money. If a big zoom is what you like, then use it! If "lower price, more features, and faster" meet all your needs, then I'll posit that the Limiteds are not for you. And honestly, Pentax might not be for you.

But I have to ask - what are you doing in this thread?
If wasting money is what you like, go waste it! These Pentax HD Limited are made for you.

I have a Pentax camera and Pentax Limited lenses so I'm in this thread reading about the updates.

What are you doing in this thread?

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QuoteOriginally posted by mrbrightside Quote
If wasting money is what you like, go waste it!
For you, purchasing HD limited primes would clearly be a waste of money, for others it is not. If spending money gives an individual satisfaction - either through what it can do, or perhaps the simple pride of ownership (what economists call "utility"), then it is not a waste. That's why some people buy expensive watches, when a cheap one (or a mobile phone) would tell the time just as well. On top of that, the Limiteds hold their value very well. Waste, for me, is when one buys something one does not need, and regrets buying it. I haven't seen too many posts from people who thought their limited lenses were a waste of money.

One should not apply one's own values to others.
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Something in the "waste of money":

Review: Zeiss 135mm f2 (Canon EF)


Is the Zeiss is as unique as they think? I think the only good, better image quality I get with my K-5 and FA77. So when you look at the test photos taken with new K-3, which are on the Ricoh's www immediately becomes clear that the Limiteds are great lenses. Thus, with the K-3 and DA70 we get jaw breaker for one tenth of the price Canon 5D and Zeiss 135 combo. The only thing that was unique in this test is a model This is so my little contribution to the discussion about the FF, the lack of professional lenses etc. This whole lamentations about the FF is only a sign of frustration incompetent "photomasstakers" who think that a greater sensor will cover their lack of talent and skills. In my country we used to say that even the hem of her skirt bothered bad ballerina.
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Photographers end up paying a premium for small improvements in image quality once you get to a certain level. This is always the conundrum. Assuming that the kit lens is your cheapest option, along with a telephoto zoom, is it really worth it to "upgrade." Well, ask the question on the forum and the answer always comes back yes. How much money to spend on the upgrade depends both on how much money you have and how much you value image quality, build of lens, small size, etc.

If you are looking at 30-ishmm lens, you could choose a DA 35 f2.4 (cheap), a DA 35 limited (less cheap), a HD DA 35 limited (even less cheap), a Sigma 35 f1.4, or a FA 31 limited (quite expensive). Each one of these lenses will have reasons that make it worth owning and the differences in rendering between the cheapest option and the most expensive options will be small, but there will be plenty of people who end up buying a FA 31 (even though it is about a thousand dollars new), because they need or want that difference. That isn't wasting money, it is just a personal choice made by a discerning individual.

Buying glass, even expensive glass, gives more satisfaction than buying camera bodies, because you can shoot with it for years, while camera bodies are updated all of the time. There is where the money is wasted if you ask me...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
Buying glass, even expensive glass, gives more satisfaction than buying camera bodies, because you can shoot with it for years, while camera bodies are updated all of the time. There is where the money is wasted if you ask me...
+1

Moreover, buying lenses is much more satisfying because they keep their money much better. The resale value of good glass is very nice. Whilst the value that is sunk into a camera is mostly a 100% loss.

You can never go wrong on a lens purchase, unless the mount becomes discontinued.

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Something in the "waste of money":

Review: Zeiss 135mm f2 (Canon EF)


Is the Zeiss is as unique as they think? I think the only good, better image quality I get with my K-5 and FA77. So when you look at the test photos taken with new K-3, which are on the Ricoh's www immediately becomes clear that the Limiteds are great lenses. Thus, with the K-3 and DA70 we get jaw breaker for one tenth of the price Canon 5D and Zeiss 135 combo. The only thing that was unique in this test is a model This is so my little contribution to the discussion about the FF, the lack of professional lenses etc. This whole lamentations about the FF is only a sign of frustration incompetent "photomasstakers" who think that a greater sensor will cover their lack of talent and skills. In my country we used to say that even the hem of her skirt bothered bad ballerina.
Where I live the Zeiss is twice the price of the FA 77mm but if/when Ricoh reissue the 77mm with HD coatings et al the gap will close. Of course there are many other and perhaps more important considerations to take into account when selecting these or any other lenses but my point is that once you get to this high level, the Zeiss costs more, yes, but a lot more, stratospherically more - absolutely not, for what one is getting. The Zeiss 135mm is not an APS-C portrait lens really (as the 77mm is used currently although it's an FF lens too of course), it's an FF one and for those who love MF. Either lens is a very fine investment if, after careful consideration, some decides that one or other is the right lens for them. Leica folk would say the same for Leica lenses, I expect. There are no bargains at this level.

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That's a more visible improvement than I would have expected
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Isn't wasting money why we got into photography in the first place?
I thought that was boats and old cars.
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I've spent a lot of money on cameras, lenses, women and drink. The rest I wasted.
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Moreover, buying lenses is much more satisfying because they keep their money much better. The resale value of good glass is very nice. Whilst the value that is sunk into a camera is mostly a 100% loss.
I regularly use a 1975 50/1.4 on all my Pentax cameras. I am the original owner of the lens. It so happens I also still have the original camera that came with the lens.

I bet in 30 years I won't be able to say my K10D, K-01, Q, (K-3) and whatever other digital cameras I buy will still be working (but I bet the lens will be).

FWIW, I also have second-hand '50's and 60's lenses that work as they did when they were new. Same for second-hand cameras.

I don't think my grandmother wasted her money on those cameras and lenses. She could have paid far less for a simple Yashica Rangefinder and probably taken the exact same photos, but so what?
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FWIW, I also have second-hand '50's and 60's lenses that work as they did when they were new. Same for second-hand cameras.
True. 99% of my Takumars (not the ones that were abused beyond repair) are SO GOOD mechanically that they're still focusing buttery smooth. And those are 50 year old lenses! But those were the days... Takumars were built with the tightest tolerances possible, with the very best materials, with the very best lubricants, by the very best personnel they could find, QC'd by the most strict inspectors. Otherwise I cannot think of a valid explanation proving why my Takumars do not have coating defects, oily blades, stuck diaphragms, tight or loose focusing, or even rattles. None of them! No, Takumars are truly gems.

This is in stark contrast with anything German and Russian I have ever used. There are only a few exceptions, but most of those lenses did not withstand the test of time. They ALL have issues. Finding a unabused Takumar with issues is rare, very rare!

I don't have that much faith in today's lenses because plastics and electronics do not age well. And there's no exception to the rule unless we're talking about the rare stuff like the 125mm f/2.5 Macro-Apo-Lanthar (which are very Takumar-like).
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