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10-24-2013, 05:39 PM   #781
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Jury out on the aperture blades (some might like it others not ie stars etc) anyway most other makers are using rounded aperture blades and have done for some time bar some oldie lens designs.
I'm still not sure those tweaks justify such a big price hike. If it were 50 odd sure we can deal with that.

70mm f2.4 was 450 odd now it's 640, even the 40mm f2.8 was 325 it's 440. Those are massive price increases by any standards only the 15mm f4 doesn't seem to have gone up much (about 10) but that was quite expensive for a lens anyway. 21mm f3.2 seriously 590? What are Ricoh smoking?

Most potential buyers will look at those prices and run a mile. Those that don't will probably hunt down third party zooms to cover the range.
I just don't get it, K-3 looks like a nice body why spoil it with crazy price hikes?

Def no way Ricoh are going to expand Pentax with those prices

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mr Spocko Quote

Def no way Ricoh are going to expand Pentax with those prices
And still they are...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mr Spocko Quote
Jury out on the aperture blades (some might like it others not ie stars etc) anyway most other makers are using rounded aperture blades and have done for some time bar some oldie lens designs.
I'm still not sure those tweaks justify such a big price hike. If it were 50 odd sure we can deal with that.

70mm f2.4 was 450 odd now it's 640, even the 40mm f2.8 was 325 it's 440. Those are massive price increases by any standards only the 15mm f4 doesn't seem to have gone up much (about 10) but that was quite expensive for a lens anyway. 21mm f3.2 seriously 590? What are Ricoh smoking?

Most potential buyers will look at those prices and run a mile. Those that don't will probably hunt down third party zooms to cover the range.
I just don't get it, K-3 looks like a nice body why spoil it with crazy price hikes?

Def no way Ricoh are going to expand Pentax with those prices
Prices don't scare determined customers away. But with all the current developments in the camera business right now, investing in DA lenses isn't the smartest or most satisfying course right now.
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I agree. The pricing is insane

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Ironically high prices can make some things more desirable. People associate price with quality.
True story, a beer company released a new low carb beer into the marked. The only sales tactic that had any effect was when the lowered the price the sales dropped.
Of course it sucks when things go up in price, but I'm quite happy with a company that doesn't try and jawbone me into a different, more expensive format or stop making camera bodies in my lens mount.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
Prices don't scare determined customers away. But with all the current developments in the camera business right now, investing in DA lenses isn't the smartest or most satisfying course right now.
Hopefully more extensive updates for the FA LTDs are under development. It looks like they are updating the easiest and quickest products first and the DA LTDs really don't require much more than new coatings and blades. The SDM lenses are hopefully getting a new AF motor that is faster and quieter and that would be a more extensive overhaul.

They might have also chosen the DA LTDs to do first to see how users react to the pricing. If people don't buy them at the new price they might decide it isn't worth updating the other lenses to HD coatings.
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QuoteOriginally posted by robjmitchell Quote
Ironically high prices can make some things more desirable. People associate price with quality.
True story, a beer company released a new low carb beer into the marked. The only sales tactic that had any effect was when the lowered the price the sales dropped.
Of course it sucks when things go up in price, but I'm quite happy with a company that doesn't try and jawbone me into a different, more expensive format or stop making camera bodies in my lens mount.
I'm thinking more of newer users or switchers from other mounts. The K-3 will appeal to some people even more so since Canikon have yet to update their high end APS-C bodies.
I think most people will run a mile when they see the lens prices, they'll run a mile with the flash prices too

Problem for Pentax is they have a pretty tiny market share (if we are honest) I can't see them growing much if at all even with some nice bodies.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
Hopefully more extensive updates for the FA LTDs are under development. It looks like they are updating the easiest and quickest products first and the DA LTDs really don't require much more than new coatings and blades. The SDM lenses are hopefully getting a new AF motor that is faster and quieter and that would be a more extensive overhaul.

They might have also chosen the DA LTDs to do first to see how users react to the pricing. If people don't buy them at the new price they might decide it isn't worth updating the other lenses to HD coatings.
Yes the FA ltds would have been a wiser joice. Those would have also been a safer choice to try first too. But are they still in production?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
Yes the FA ltds would have been a wiser joice. Those would have also been a safer choice to try first too. But are they still in production?
Hopefully they are being redesigned for a launch with a new FF body. If Pentax builds a FF body I would expect those to be the lenses that are launched with it.
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Has anyone notice that Panasonic are labelling their lenses "HD" also?
Another reason why "HD" is such a lame name for a lens coating. Everything these days is "HD", just as everything in the 1950s was "Dyna"-something, 1960s "Electro", 1970s "Super", 1980s "Turbo", 1990s "Virtual", 2000s "e-" and 2010s "Nano"

Much better for Ricoh to have looked for another unique name.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Gray Quote
Much better for Ricoh to have looked for another unique name.
Yeah, like i-coating.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Gray Quote
Another reason why "HD" is such a lame name for a lens coating. Everything these days is "HD", just as everything in the 1950s was "Dyna"-something, 1960s "Electro", 1970s "Super", 1980s "Turbo", 1990s "Virtual", 2000s "e-" and 2010s "Nano"

Much better for Ricoh to have looked for another unique name.
Or not. If it works, well... from Ricoh's PoV, it's a win.

Remember AMD's Athlon XP and Nvidia's Detonators XP ? All of that because of Windows XP...
Just about the same stuff

That being said, I hear HD music so much better, an MP3/AAC/OGG is no go and even uncompressed CD 24/44.1 seems almost low end to me.
Not everything HD is crap although it is, of course, overblown.
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You know if you spell it out, Super-Multi-Coating does sound very lame and 70s

I like SMC though
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QuoteOriginally posted by Andi Lo Quote
You know if you spell it out, Super-Multi-Coating does sound very lame and 70s

I like SMC though
HD should have been called SSMC:- Super Special Magic Coating! Although that might be reserved for lenses with higher pixie densities
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Just found this - direct comparison of SMC and HD coatings. Enjoy!
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