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09-01-2013, 01:42 PM   #181
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QuoteOriginally posted by climbertrev Quote
Can we just wait to see what these flashes can achieve on a potential new camera or current firmware upgraded ones before we descend into the bowels of slanging and slagging

As a committed Pentax user I love this forum
But working through this thread has been a "right royal pain in the derriere"
Indeed. There's just no way to factually comment on their performance until production units are in the hands of actual users and not just reviewers.

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Okay, now that the thread seems to have settled a bit ...

QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
... at least to an extent that we know of right now, before all new cameras are released. Please note that it may as well be that flash specs are presented like these to suit current Pentax cameras, (legal reasons, they cannot advertise something not currently obtainable or controllable, especially if flashes become available and new cameras delayed for whatever reason). So it is not revealed in any way what flashes can do with future camera models.
I had the same thoughts Uluru, and hope (wish) this is correct.

It would be neat if Ricoh announces a new camera that has built-in RF transmitter, the same time that it is revealed that these flashes have a built-in P-TTL RF receiver all along. And at the same time, a hotshoe-mounted P-TTL RF transmitter is announced that mounts on existing Pentax cameras.

If Pentax can support communication with the O-GPS1 unit, I'd imagine it should be easy to develop an RF transceiver to proxy a wired hotshoe connection. The only reason I can think of that this would not work, is if the RF signal processing introduces too much latency or otherwise screws up the timing. Even still, timing could be addressed with a slightly modified P-TTL protocol. We already have regular P-TTL and wireless optical P-TTL, which are 2 different protocols, so why not a third.

That would give Ricoh even more control over legacy bodies, via firmware updates. For example, maybe the K-x will work the LED light, but to use the RF trigger accessory, you need to upgrade to a K-5 or later. This is just an example of course.
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A 360&540-FGZII FAQ was posted on the RIC's site (Japanese):
AF540FGZ II/AF360FGZ II|???????FAQ|????&???? | RICOH IMAGING

They're warning about focus shift if the LED AF-assist is used, with cameras older than the K-r; besides this the new flashes should work with any Pentax DSLR. For the supported models, the focus shift issue is corrected by the new firmware versions.
No AC power nor power pack can be used, but the recharging time is only 3 seconds, with the 540FGZII (and 1.5 seconds with the less powerful 360FGZII).
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http://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/9715/Pentax-AF360-FGZ-II-AW-Flash.html

Sorry but that's just a joke they are asking high end flash prices for a mid level flash.
That's 150 over a 58AF-2 and sorry but it's not worth that much.

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Around here you will get the 540 FGZII for those money (the listed price being a little bit more than Nikon's 910, and less than Canon's 600 non-RT flash).
A beer's about 0.8 pounds (~1-1.5 in pubs), and it's good, too.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Around here you will get the 540 FGZII for those money (the listed price being a little bit more than Nikon's 910, and less than Canon's 600 non-RT flash).
A beer's about 0.8 pounds (~1-1.5 in pubs), and it's good, too.
Pour it on the flash. See if it still works. Order another beer.
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It would be a waste, and the flash will become smelly and sticky.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mr Spocko Quote
Sorry but that's just a joke they are asking high end flash prices for a mid level flash.
That's 150 over a 58AF-2 and sorry but it's not worth that much.
I think you are right.

I don't think one can charge much for the weather sealing, because it does take little more than a clear plastic bag to protect any flash from the elements.

As for the utility of the LED light, we'll have to see how much value that adds.

But in general, the recent Pentax pricing (for everything except camera bodies) means to me that I'm looking elsewhere. And elsewhere, it is not looking too bad with new models supporting remote power control via radio, i.e., not the rather limited optical communication.

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Good news (for users), potentially bad news for the new Pentax flash units:

Cactus are working on a flash with a built-in radio receiver. A new V5 successor (V6) will be able to remote control the power of that flash. Can't wait to check these out; will hopefully be available by the end of 2013.

I like using flashes but walking around and adjusting them one by one is a pain, so remote power control will be tremendously useful.
AFAIC, the Pentax units will need a price adjustment with competition like this. They have a P-TTL advantage, but that only works with optical communication which did not work very well for me in the past, and I personally prefer manual settings anyhow.
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Yeah, that will shake things up a bit. Manual flash would be so much better for everyone if one did not have to keep lowering the light stand to adjust the power levels!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Tanzer Quote
Yeah, that will shake things up a bit. Manual flash would be so much better for everyone if one did not have to keep lowering the light stand to adjust the power levels!
It will soon be a thing of the past!
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I had an interesting thought the other day - with the O-GPS we know it is now possible to transmit data through the flash connectors, what if Pentax was to make a set of self powered radio control triggers that communicated with the flash units through this interface and enabled RF wireless flash control. If pentax was to make such a product it would be in their best interests to alter the design of the current flash line up to make use of it...

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QuoteOriginally posted by Digitalis Quote
If pentax was to make such a product it would be in their best interests to alter the design of the current flash line up to make use of it...
I like this dream. If the rumors of a "new flash system" or at least performance-wise in the upcoming new body works with the new flashes (which aren't in the market yet I think, but available for pre-orders)

speaking of samples, why does Pentax not release "sample videos" of the flash in performance, as opposed to camera bodies?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Alizarine Quote
why does Pentax not release "sample videos" of the flash in performance, as opposed to camera bodies?
Because flash equipment doesn't have even half the impact in terms of IQ that changing camera hardware or lenses can have.
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