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08-29-2013, 11:23 AM   #76
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I think people are missing the point on why Ricoh is making a WR flash.

-Brand Identity: maybe someone has mentioned this already but differentiating from C/N/S- Pentax-Ricoh now has a fully WR system that is relatively inexpensive. [its all relative] It does not matter whether people are looking to shoot in the rain with flash. Most people dont use their SUV's off-roading either!

-It really does not matter whether you USE flash IN the middle of rain. You maybe planning to do outdoor photos and using some amount of flash. However the weather report may say 'episodic rain'. You can take your flash along and you are shooting in non-rainy weather and it starts raining, you dont need to run or find something to hide your flash in. Of course, whether you want to pay the extra for this is another question altogether.

-One persons use scenario: I shoot soccer every year in the middle of the pouring rain. [K5 with 50-135 mostly]. WR has never failed even though water is sometime pouring over the camera and lens like a waterfall. So WR does work. But I dont use a flash in this situation. HOWEVER, for before or after the game, I sometimes take informal portraits of the players outdoors in the shade and a flash can be useful. Soemtimes I am standing in a drizzle kind of rain while the player is in the shade under an awning, I would try this in these kind of situations. Now if I bought this flash I will no longer need to pack the flash in a waterproof bag of any sort. I will just stuff it in my jacket. maybe I will stand in the drizzle and bounce the flash off the awning...

-I am not a professional of any sort, but I found pttl not that reliable and just use manual flash. That works fine for my limited needs. If I were someone who needed multiple flashes and complicated scenarios I dont think the pentax flash system would have been enough. But then I will never know as I am not that kind of user. [On the other hand, my friend who uses a Nikon system and is also a non-professional like me. He also says he uses manual flash as it is more reliable , so for people like us auto flashes may not be needed]

-Finnaly the million dollar question: would I actually buy this flash? Its expensive right now. I would have bought this flash if it were on sale. I would then play around with the pttl system some more and see when and where it can be used. However in 2 years my son will no longer be playing soccer. He will be in college and he is good but not good enough for that level, so I am not sure whether I would even need a WR camera much less a WR flash that much...


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WR flash is a peace of mind feature, is something the other guys don't have, justifies a more premium price point, and makes the product line more consistent.

I strongly suspect that WR on a compact lens design with manual focus and quick shifts would end the pancake and small size philosophy for technical reasons. That said Pentax could use a WR prime (24mm?) below the 100 and 55mm.
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It is just so funny every time, with new updated product. Rant, OMG! This is Bullsh!t and wayy too expensive I'll go to canikon...

Whoa. No one even has laid their fingers on any of these things and seen that what is coming later on.

Then later, after someone brave buys and tries they see that it was ok. Maybe even better than that, worth that premium.! Wondering what was that all speak of not worth it ect. Rumors after rumors and little imagination and lot of experts from other opinions around web...

Well fun to read, maybe little sad too. If people are happy with their cheap alternative of would be happy with other cameras, why not make a move and give others some joy on these new and exiting news.? Just to say, I told you so?

I'm exited of that flash AND led light for movie. And WR too...btw, this has been on wishlist long for flashes at forums, on these updates... No one mentioned that. Oh well. Enough for me. While I'm saving my pennies for this flash, I'll get my pentax is doomed and sky is falling badges ready. 5th. Of september is coming.

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My Metz flash just broke, and if their service centre here wants funny money to repair it then I'll be looking very closely at the smaller of the two new Pentax flashes. Two features I have found useful on the Metz: first, you can update the firmware by usb so the electronics in the flash can always take advantage of new models of camera with slightly different flash software inside them (provided Metz produce the updates which so far they have); and, second, I can set it to manual at 1/64 or 1/128. I find this really useful to lift macro shots just a little, subtly, in circumstances where anything stronger at that close distance would kill the image. It will be interesting to see how Pentax handle the "light touch" aspect.

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From interview comments in the past 12 months I was half expecting to see new flashes that were more revolutionary.

The new releases in the past couple of days have been squarely in the realm of evolutionary, rather than revolutionary. It's certainly welcome to see the range being improved, but I'm beginning to seriously doubt if we'll see any game-changing new products in 2013.
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Weather Resistant?!?!?! AWESOME!

This is a feature I was not expecting but is welcomed! Will pair nicely with my K-5 II and 18-55WR.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Blacknight659 Quote
Weather Resistant?!?!?! AWESOME!

This is a feature I was not expecting but is welcomed! Will pair nicely with my K-5 II and 18-55WR.
It is AW (All weather) not WR. I don't know if there is a difference in practice, but AW sounds way more serious than WR!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Apapukas Quote
It is AW (All weather) not WR. I don't know if there is a difference in practice, but AW sounds way more serious than WR!
These new flashes already endure a storm of abuse in this forum.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
These new flashes already endure a storm of abuse in this forum.
I guess Pentax foresaw that and for that reason went straight for AW
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I guess only Pentax engineers know the particulars, but according to the marketing All Weather is higher than Weather Resistant. AFAIK, DA*s and 645D lenses are AW, most others are WR...someone correct me if I'm wrong. So these flashes should be rugged indeed.
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I have always wondered why most companies; to name a few, Ricoh, Nikon, Apple, seem to be stagnant in product innovation, when creative, innovative geniuses are always in abundance in these kind of forums. Why can't these companies just hire these good people, and pay them peanuts? There's obviously an oversupply of them.

Same case with CEOs. One has to simply search and read some posters' remarks and it will become quite obvious that the Steve Jobs, Henry Fords are a dime a dozen in forums.
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Why Pentax opted for only certain improvements in its flash line?
Because Pentax knows really well what for, and how, their users use flash 99% of the time:

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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
Why Pentax opted for only certain improvements in its flash line?
Because Pentax knows really well what for, and how, their users use flash 99% of the time:
LOL, that's me!! Without the aggression that is...

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QuoteOriginally posted by Neo_ Quote
still 1/180th sync
This is actually a limitation of the camera shutters pentax have been using - not a flash system limitation per se. I can get my Pentax K5IIs* to synch at 1/250th, though what you end up with is this:




QuoteOriginally posted by Neo_ Quote
no fry protection
Why would a Pentax flash need this? the trigger voltages on modern flash units are quite well suited to cameras - there isn't the wild variation that you would see in the mid 80s where some flash units would use triggering voltages as high as 800 volts.

QuoteOriginally posted by Neo_ Quote
updatable firmware?
This only really makes sense for metz and other off brand flash units where cross system compatability is essential and occasional bug-fixes are needed.


QuoteOriginally posted by Neo_ Quote
limited zoom range,
I haven't found this to be a problem with my wildlife photography:


Pentax K7 - Sigma 100-300mm f/4 APO EX DG @ 300mm (450mm equiv in 35mm terms) - Exposure: f/4 @ 1/180th ISO 100. Pentax AF540FGZ P-TTL wireless flash @85mm with Honl 1/2CTO filter


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no manual ratio wireless control from camera
Even if you use off brand wireless flashes you still have no wireless control of flash power output, and even with Nikon CLS you have to deal with a rather annoying menu system when you want to change anything. Elinchrom allow you to control flash units (BRX and Style RX only) from an Ipad or Iphone, I find this to be a great solution because the interface on a tablet PC or smartphone is miles ahead of any camera.


QuoteOriginally posted by jonny1986 Quote
Simply put thewireless(sic) system is preistoric(sic).
Prehistoric you say? - have you ever had to use one of these with an AF540 for AF360 flash?




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You need a hotshoe adapter with a sync port to be able to use an industry standard pocket wizard with an af540
I agree with this complaint, however it is possible to modify an AF540 with a plug so that it can be used with these systems, though such a modification would in all probability void your warranty, and not many people are comfortable opening up a flash unit. Or you can simply buy an accessory shoe with the required plug on it and keep your warranty.

* in a nutshell: I got my Pentax K5IIs and linked the shutter release remotely to my Nikon D4 which was set at its synch speed of1/250th which in turn triggered my studio strobes - I had to carefully compensate for the differentials in response time between the two cameras but when I got them to open their shutters to open in perfect sync with each other at 1/250th, I simply had to fire the flash and that was the result that I got.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Digitalis Quote
* in a nutshell: I got my Pentax K5IIs and linked the shutter release remotely to my Nikon D4 which was set at its synch speed of1/250th which in turn triggered my studio strobes - I had to carefully compensate for the differentials in response time between the two cameras but when I got them to open their shutters to open in perfect sync with each other at 1/250th, I simply had to fire the flash and that was the result that I got.
Cool. I may try this.
For now, I am ok with pentax slow sync. If i need faster, I grab canikon gear.
How exactly can you link the shutter release between these bodies?
Is it possible to micro adjust the release?
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