new roadmap

TenZ.NL · 08-31-2013, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by cfraz

From Ricoh's description of the DA560:

The lens exterior is painted an elegant white to minimize heat haze generated inside the lens barrel, and a red ring is featured in the middle of the barrel to serve as a distinct, radiant symbol of the new HD (High Definition) lens series.

PENTAX - HD PENTAX DA 560mm F5.6ED AW

Thanks, I knew I read that somewhere

zapp · 08-31-2013, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by dankoBanana

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/japan/products/lens/images/K_Mount_Lens.pdf

minor differences. DA* zoom has become a DA zoom and the HD Limiteds and the FA limiteds have been added to the list
I guess this is a good thing, they are standing by the decision to produce 4 new zooms and a TC

Come on "they" have updated a list, letters, numbers...

The changes only mean that they did not have any realistic plans. Also, I can only buy what I can find in a shop. No interesting new lenses and you will find my old Pnetax gear in a shop soon.

MouLaG Ôfr · 08-31-2013, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

Famous Pentax lens roadmap is one of best modern works of surreal fiction — Ed Woods meets Star Trek. It is especially thrilling when you are focused on a plot started in the beginning, but which is still unresolved, plenty of characters walk around with bags on their heads, and all of a sudden never before announced characters start appearing from the thin air, all in red and with posh accents, beaming away current cast and resuming their identities.

This roadmap comes from outer space

glanglois · 08-31-2013, 01:56 PM

Instead of solid colors for purposes of identification, I propose a multi-color arrangement. Mr. Malcolm's might be a good place to start:

http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails.aspx?

Last edited by glanglois; 08-31-2013 at 08:25 PM.

Tonto · 08-31-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by TenZ.NL

Thanks, I knew I read that somewhere

That spoils all the fun, lol. Clarified!

Dan · 08-31-2013, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by tclausen

Well, on that....am I alone in longing for the days when a "kit lens" meant a "high quality, fast 50mm", and not "a piece of plastic to throw at eBay as soon as possible"?

No, you're not alone in that. I tried the kit zoom once. Threw it at eBay lickety split! Pentax has so many nice primes. They should use them more often in kits.

Dan

TenZ.NL · 09-01-2013, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by Tonto

That spoils all the fun, lol. Clarified!

Haha, lol

Originally posted by Dan

No, you're not alone in that. I tried the kit zoom once. Threw it at eBay lickety split! Pentax has so many nice primes. They should use them more often in kits.
Dan

Yeah, the kits are probably targeted at upgrading P&S users who are used to zooming. However, if Pentax would launch a new flagship, a packagedeal with, for instance, some of the limiteds would be very tempting.
I believe thet done that before, wasn`t that with the K30?

Last edited by TenZ.NL; 09-01-2013 at 01:33 AM.

bobell69 · 09-01-2013, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by zapp

Come on "they" have updated a list, letters, numbers...

The changes only mean that they did not have any realistic plans. Also, I can only buy what I can find in a shop. No interesting new lenses and you will find my old Pnetax gear in a shop soon.

I beg to differ, if Ricoh didn't have any specific plans other than refreshing the DA Limited line then they would have held off the release of the announcement and the new Roadmap for one of the upcoming Consumer Shows. I think it means that they are committed to the APSC format and that there are more announcements in the hopper. No need to announce the refreshing of the FA Limiteds as they are full frame and their refresh will probably be part of a future release.

I think that we are going to see Richoh make their move, it may not be as significant as folks hope, but a step forward none the less.

**Aristophanes** · 09-01-2013, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by bobell69

I beg to differ, if Ricoh didn't have any specific plans other than refreshing the DA Limited line then they would have held off the release of the announcement and the new Roadmap for one of the upcoming Consumer Shows. I think it means that they are committed to the APSC format and that there are more announcements in the hopper. No need to announce the refreshing of the FA Limiteds as they are full frame and their refresh will probably be part of a future release.

I think that we are going to see Richoh make their move, it may not be as significant as folks hope, but a step forward none the less.

This is about doubling down on APS-C and adding a new ingredient to an already excellent product. Why gripe over a little improvement.

As for prices, all the camera manufacturers are doing it because the prices for bodies are falling and so revenue must be made up elsewhere. I suspect these prices will not last as a lower Yen and competition makes someone blink.

Wired · 09-01-2013, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Dan

No, you're not alone in that. I tried the kit zoom once. Threw it at eBay lickety split! Pentax has so many nice primes. They should use them more often in kits.

Dan

Agreed, a nice 35mm on APSC or a 50mm on full frame would be nice.

However, I think this experiment failed with the 01 prime and Q kit. Otherwise they would still offer that option

Uluru · 09-01-2013, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Wired

Agreed, a nice 35mm on APSC or a 50mm on full frame would be nice.
However, I think this experiment failed with the 01 prime and Q kit. Otherwise they would still offer that option

Horses for courses.
I think with Q they finally went for a zoom in the kit because it then clearly becomes a better than smartphone tool.
But in the beginning they offered 01 prime to show how well performing small sensor can be.
So 01 and Q was more for photo geeks, yet Q is intended for massive sale.
Now they're packing Q7 with 01 and 06 zooms in a kit, which perhaps proves the assumption.

But for a large sensor camera, say a possible FF, I bet many would love it with one, two, or three primes kit — if priced well.
Even if they make a limited number of sets; for example, Q7 limited set was sold out in Japan within days since introduction.

Wired · 09-01-2013, 08:18 PM

oh, I saw someone say something about how he's gonna sell everything if Pentax does not come out with new interesting lenses?

what could be new and interesting that isn't available by Pentax or a third party? In my opinion the most ground breaking lens of recent is the Sigma f1.8 zoom. What is everyone hoping for expecting? The roadmap has nothing "ground breaking" on it.

How about some DA Limiteds with some faster apertures? That would make me jump up and down.

Uluru · 09-01-2013, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Wired

..

How about some DA Limiteds with some faster apertures? That would make me jump up and down.

C'mon, you're asking way too much; that would be a genuine, new investment, not a rehash. Ricoh can't do it.

Wired · 09-01-2013, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

C'mon, you're asking way too much; that would be a genuine, new investment, not a rehash. Ricoh can't do it.

Can't be that hard... the FA limiteds are tiny and sub 2.0 apertures. Why do the DA's have to be so slow in comparison?

derekkite · 09-01-2013, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by RockvilleBob

7 years! I feel crestfallen - I was hoping to see it this year.

I suspect that they tried it and found that their long lenses would barely focus without it, and not at all with. They probably will release along with a body that will be able to use it effectively on their 300 f4.

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08-31-2013, 10:21 AM	#91
TenZ.NL Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Below sealevel Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,100	Originally posted by cfraz From Ricoh's description of the DA560: The lens exterior is painted an elegant white to minimize heat haze generated inside the lens barrel, and a red ring is featured in the middle of the barrel to serve as a distinct, radiant symbol of the new HD (High Definition) lens series. PENTAX - HD PENTAX DA 560mm F5.6ED AW Thanks, I knew I read that somewhere

08-31-2013, 10:47 AM	#92
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,385	Originally posted by dankoBanana http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/japan/products/lens/images/K_Mount_Lens.pdf minor differences. DA* zoom has become a DA zoom and the HD Limiteds and the FA limiteds have been added to the list I guess this is a good thing, they are standing by the decision to produce 4 new zooms and a TC Come on "they" have updated a list, letters, numbers... The changes only mean that they did not have any realistic plans. Also, I can only buy what I can find in a shop. No interesting new lenses and you will find my old Pnetax gear in a shop soon.

08-31-2013, 12:38 PM	#93
MouLaG Ôfr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Brussels Posts: 103	Originally posted by Uluru Famous Pentax lens roadmap is one of best modern works of surreal fiction — Ed Woods meets Star Trek. It is especially thrilling when you are focused on a plot started in the beginning, but which is still unresolved, plenty of characters walk around with bags on their heads, and all of a sudden never before announced characters start appearing from the thin air, all in red and with posh accents, beaming away current cast and resuming their identities. This roadmap comes from outer space

08-31-2013, 01:56 PM	#94
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Instead of solid colors for purposes of identification, I propose a multi-color arrangement. Mr. Malcolm's might be a good place to start: http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails.aspx? Last edited by glanglois; 08-31-2013 at 08:25 PM.

08-31-2013, 02:53 PM	#95
Tonto Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wellington Posts: 969	Originally posted by TenZ.NL Thanks, I knew I read that somewhere That spoils all the fun, lol. Clarified!

08-31-2013, 08:32 PM	#96
Dan Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 325	Originally posted by tclausen Well, on that....am I alone in longing for the days when a "kit lens" meant a "high quality, fast 50mm", and not "a piece of plastic to throw at eBay as soon as possible"? No, you're not alone in that. I tried the kit zoom once. Threw it at eBay lickety split! Pentax has so many nice primes. They should use them more often in kits. Dan

09-01-2013, 01:23 AM	#97
TenZ.NL Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Below sealevel Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,100	Originally posted by Tonto That spoils all the fun, lol. Clarified! Haha, lol Originally posted by Dan No, you're not alone in that. I tried the kit zoom once. Threw it at eBay lickety split! Pentax has so many nice primes. They should use them more often in kits. Dan Yeah, the kits are probably targeted at upgrading P&S users who are used to zooming. However, if Pentax would launch a new flagship, a packagedeal with, for instance, some of the limiteds would be very tempting. I believe thet done that before, wasn`t that with the K30? Last edited by TenZ.NL; 09-01-2013 at 01:33 AM.

09-01-2013, 07:32 AM	#98
bobell69 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Courtenay BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by zapp Come on "they" have updated a list, letters, numbers... The changes only mean that they did not have any realistic plans. Also, I can only buy what I can find in a shop. No interesting new lenses and you will find my old Pnetax gear in a shop soon. I beg to differ, if Ricoh didn't have any specific plans other than refreshing the DA Limited line then they would have held off the release of the announcement and the new Roadmap for one of the upcoming Consumer Shows. I think it means that they are committed to the APSC format and that there are more announcements in the hopper. No need to announce the refreshing of the FA Limiteds as they are full frame and their refresh will probably be part of a future release. I think that we are going to see Richoh make their move, it may not be as significant as folks hope, but a step forward none the less.

09-01-2013, 10:08 AM	#99
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by bobell69 I beg to differ, if Ricoh didn't have any specific plans other than refreshing the DA Limited line then they would have held off the release of the announcement and the new Roadmap for one of the upcoming Consumer Shows. I think it means that they are committed to the APSC format and that there are more announcements in the hopper. No need to announce the refreshing of the FA Limiteds as they are full frame and their refresh will probably be part of a future release. I think that we are going to see Richoh make their move, it may not be as significant as folks hope, but a step forward none the less. This is about doubling down on APS-C and adding a new ingredient to an already excellent product. Why gripe over a little improvement. As for prices, all the camera manufacturers are doing it because the prices for bodies are falling and so revenue must be made up elsewhere. I suspect these prices will not last as a lower Yen and competition makes someone blink.

09-01-2013, 11:19 AM	#100
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by Dan No, you're not alone in that. I tried the kit zoom once. Threw it at eBay lickety split! Pentax has so many nice primes. They should use them more often in kits. Dan Agreed, a nice 35mm on APSC or a 50mm on full frame would be nice. However, I think this experiment failed with the 01 prime and Q kit. Otherwise they would still offer that option

09-01-2013, 06:38 PM	#101
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Wired Agreed, a nice 35mm on APSC or a 50mm on full frame would be nice. However, I think this experiment failed with the 01 prime and Q kit. Otherwise they would still offer that option Horses for courses. I think with Q they finally went for a zoom in the kit because it then clearly becomes a better than smartphone tool. But in the beginning they offered 01 prime to show how well performing small sensor can be. So 01 and Q was more for photo geeks, yet Q is intended for massive sale. Now they're packing Q7 with 01 and 06 zooms in a kit, which perhaps proves the assumption. But for a large sensor camera, say a possible FF, I bet many would love it with one, two, or three primes kit — if priced well. Even if they make a limited number of sets; for example, Q7 limited set was sold out in Japan within days since introduction.

09-01-2013, 08:18 PM	#102
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	oh, I saw someone say something about how he's gonna sell everything if Pentax does not come out with new interesting lenses? what could be new and interesting that isn't available by Pentax or a third party? In my opinion the most ground breaking lens of recent is the Sigma f1.8 zoom. What is everyone hoping for expecting? The roadmap has nothing "ground breaking" on it. How about some DA Limiteds with some faster apertures? That would make me jump up and down.

09-01-2013, 08:19 PM	#103
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Wired .. How about some DA Limiteds with some faster apertures? That would make me jump up and down. C'mon, you're asking way too much; that would be a genuine, new investment, not a rehash. Ricoh can't do it.

09-01-2013, 08:23 PM	#104
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by Uluru C'mon, you're asking way too much; that would be a genuine, new investment, not a rehash. Ricoh can't do it. Can't be that hard... the FA limiteds are tiny and sub 2.0 apertures. Why do the DA's have to be so slow in comparison?

09-01-2013, 08:24 PM	#105
derekkite Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nelson B.C. Posts: 3,782	Originally posted by RockvilleBob 7 years! I feel crestfallen - I was hoping to see it this year. I suspect that they tried it and found that their long lenses would barely focus without it, and not at all with. They probably will release along with a body that will be able to use it effectively on their 300 f4.