New processor for Pentax K-3

ricardoruca · 09-09-2013, 11:49 PM

Hi,
I understand is difficult to believe. It's not official, but in one month you know who is telling lies or the truth.
Be patience.

**Rorschach** · 09-09-2013, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by ricardoruca

Hi,
I understand is difficult to believe. It's not official, but in one month you know who is telling lies or the truth.
Be patience.

It is the APS-C K3 that I am more interested in. Do you know whether it will have a new processor too?

Full frame will interest me only if the size is reasonable and they are able to implement a working sensor based SR in it. That it must come with WR is a given.

ricardoruca · 09-10-2013, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by Rorschach

It is the APS-C K3 that I am more interested in. Do you know whether it will have a new processor too?

Full frame will interest me only if the size is reasonable and they are able to implement a working sensor based SR in it. That it must come with WR is a given.

Sorry, but I don't have this information. I only know 24 Mpx, new AF system with more focusing points, WR. Professional body, K mount. Will be called K3, not K5 III or similar.
Regards

SyncGuy · 09-10-2013, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by ricardoruca

Hi,
I understand is difficult to believe. It's not official, but in one month you know who is telling lies or the truth.
Be patience.

I do believe you my friend.. As many of us here do too... But it's the ACTUAL DATE of launch that matters... I doubt it'll be anything remotely amazing if they do actually announce a FF to be launched... 2014 years down the road or to be launched in year 2041.

I wouldn't be surprised that many photographers have come and gone, forever holding onto their breath, even till their passing, for an ACTUAL DATE of launch of the unicorn.

Get what i mean? LoL!

Clavius · 09-10-2013, 12:11 AM

That there will be a K-3 with new crop sensor is no doubt true. It's looong overdue. So that's not a very bold prediction.

Kunzite · 09-10-2013, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by SyncGuy

2) More AF point with dinner plate sized AF area is still retarded

Good news: you can't increase the AF points count and still keep the same "dinner plate sized" AF points, within the same format. More AF points means smaller AF points (how small, we'll see).

Originally posted by ricardoruca

For all you need a Full Frame camera, you'll have to wait to mid 2014.

Is this a "no FF planned for this fiscal year?

SyncGuy · 09-10-2013, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Good news: you can't increase the AF points count and still keep the same "dinner plate sized" AF points, within the same format. More AF points means smaller AF points (how small, we'll see).

Is this a "no FF planned for this fiscal year?

Bad news: You CAN increase AF points and still keep the same "dinner plate sized" AF points. How? I wouldn't be surprised if they added more AF points OUTSIDE of the current area that we have now..

Yes, right up to the corners.. Don't tell me "why would they do that? That's ridiculous!".. It's not... Just look at the Theta 360.. LOL!
Pentax is innovative remember? Problem is, their definition of innovation is screwed up..

Uluru · 09-10-2013, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by ricardoruca

Hi everybody!
In one month the k3 24 Mpx will be announced. New AF with more focusing points. It's a fact.
For all you need a Full Frame camera, you'll have to wait to mid 2014.

Best regards

Even sparrows under the barn roof know that.
What you say is a common knowledge. Tell us something we already don't know, say, how many AF points there will be in a new camera?

And how the new AF system will be named?

Kunzite · 09-10-2013, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by SyncGuy

Bad news: You CAN increase AF points and still keep the same "dinner plate sized" AF points. How? I wouldn't be surprised if they added more AF points OUTSIDE of the current area that we have now..

Yes, right up to the corners.. Don't tell me "why would they do that? That's ridiculous!".. It's not... Just look at the Theta 360.. LOL!
Pentax is innovative remember? Problem is, their definition of innovation is screwed up..

My bad, I'll fix that in an instant:
Pentax can't increase the AF points count and still keep the same "dinner plate sized" AF points.
Because you can (assuming DSLR R&D and production capacities available); but you're no Pentax

SyncGuy · 09-10-2013, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

My bad, I'll fix that in an instant:
Pentax can't increase the AF points count and still keep the same "dinner plate sized" AF points.
Because you can (assuming DSLR R&D and production capacities available); but you're no Pentax

Hahaha! Pentax sure can.. ;P
At the end of the day, let's just go out and shoot with our gears and leave it to them whatever they wanna do.

When the time does really come, then we'll start another "dream" thread on what Pentax should do..

Kunzite · 09-10-2013, 01:36 AM

Oh, yeah, mocking Pentax for things that can only happen in your imagination. You're a true Pentaxian!

ricardoruca · 09-10-2013, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by SyncGuy

Erm... Clarifications in some of the points:

1) Announcement don't mean s**t until the actual product is shown, especially coming from Pentax. (they can announce 1 gigapixel sensor, no one cares until it materializes)

2) More AF point with dinner plate sized AF area is still retarded

3) I believe you have it wrong here... Coming from Pentax or Ricoh or whatever related to Pentax, they mean year 2041 or it could actually mean you'll have to wait another 2014 years for it to come.

Summarily, just shoot with whatever you have and/or can afford. Be it crop, m4/3, FF or MF.

If you really want FF, it's here already but they have another name for it, Canon/Nikon or CaNikon in short.

I feel that you have 0 trust in my words.
I can understand it. There is only a rumor.
Remember my nick. When Ricoh announced the K3, you can ask me some news about the FF prepared for the 2014.

Caat · 09-10-2013, 03:07 AM

The K-3 cannot have the same 16mp sensor as the K-5II - it's not commercially viable/marketable in an APS-C DSLR in late 2013/early 2014 to have a >three year old sensor. No matter how good it might be - it will get highlighted in reviews.

Equally it would only be slightly more acceptable for the AF system to remain entirely the same the as the K-5II.

From these two points it is not hard to predict 24mp and more AF points.

It's the extras that everyone is interested in - like body design, any new tricks with the SR mechanism, viewfinder bells and whilstles. The actually core photographic specs are not going to surprise.

CtrlAltDel_ru · 09-10-2013, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by ricardoruca

I feel that you have 0 trust in my words.
...When Ricoh announced the K3, you can ask me some news about the FF prepared for the...

2XXX year? I will be too old

mecrox · 09-10-2013, 05:12 AM

Originally posted by Caat

The K-3 cannot have the same 16mp sensor as the K-5II - it's not commercially viable/marketable in an APS-C DSLR in late 2013/early 2014 to have a >three year old sensor. No matter how good it might be - it will get highlighted in reviews.

Equally it would only be slightly more acceptable for the AF system to remain entirely the same the as the K-5II.

From these two points it is not hard to predict 24mp and more AF points.

It's the extras that everyone is interested in - like body design, any new tricks with the SR mechanism, viewfinder bells and whilstles. The actually core photographic specs are not going to surprise.

I'm sure you're right and those kind of specs have long been a good bet on a higher-level APS-C K series camera. One unknown, however, is on-sensor PDAF. Another could be whether Pentax introduce just one new camera or two. One to replace the K5 series at about that price and another one notch up. For example, the lower one could use a 20 mp sensor and the upper one could use a 24 mp sensor with lots of bells and whistles such as dual card slots, more focus points, et al. For myself, a really good 20 mp sensor in something very similar to a K5 design but with a new iteration of SAFOX would be plenty. The 16 mp sensor in the original K5 still produces amazing quality.

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09-09-2013, 11:49 PM	#76
ricardoruca Forum Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Spain Posts: 64	Hi, I understand is difficult to believe. It's not official, but in one month you know who is telling lies or the truth. Be patience.

09-09-2013, 11:55 PM	#77
Rorschach Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kuusamo, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 652	Originally posted by ricardoruca Hi, I understand is difficult to believe. It's not official, but in one month you know who is telling lies or the truth. Be patience. It is the APS-C K3 that I am more interested in. Do you know whether it will have a new processor too? Full frame will interest me only if the size is reasonable and they are able to implement a working sensor based SR in it. That it must come with WR is a given.

09-10-2013, 12:02 AM	#78
ricardoruca Forum Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Spain Posts: 64	Originally posted by Rorschach It is the APS-C K3 that I am more interested in. Do you know whether it will have a new processor too? Full frame will interest me only if the size is reasonable and they are able to implement a working sensor based SR in it. That it must come with WR is a given. Sorry, but I don't have this information. I only know 24 Mpx, new AF system with more focusing points, WR. Professional body, K mount. Will be called K3, not K5 III or similar. Regards

09-10-2013, 12:04 AM	#79
SyncGuy Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 821	Originally posted by ricardoruca Hi, I understand is difficult to believe. It's not official, but in one month you know who is telling lies or the truth. Be patience. I do believe you my friend.. As many of us here do too... But it's the ACTUAL DATE of launch that matters... I doubt it'll be anything remotely amazing if they do actually announce a FF to be launched... 2014 years down the road or to be launched in year 2041. I wouldn't be surprised that many photographers have come and gone, forever holding onto their breath, even till their passing, for an ACTUAL DATE of launch of the unicorn. Get what i mean? LoL!

09-10-2013, 12:11 AM	#80
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	That there will be a K-3 with new crop sensor is no doubt true. It's looong overdue. So that's not a very bold prediction.

09-10-2013, 12:14 AM	#81
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by SyncGuy 2) More AF point with dinner plate sized AF area is still retarded Good news: you can't increase the AF points count and still keep the same "dinner plate sized" AF points, within the same format. More AF points means smaller AF points (how small, we'll see). Originally posted by ricardoruca For all you need a Full Frame camera, you'll have to wait to mid 2014. Is this a "no FF planned for this fiscal year?

09-10-2013, 12:20 AM	#82
SyncGuy Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 821	Originally posted by Kunzite Good news: you can't increase the AF points count and still keep the same "dinner plate sized" AF points, within the same format. More AF points means smaller AF points (how small, we'll see). Is this a "no FF planned for this fiscal year? Bad news: You CAN increase AF points and still keep the same "dinner plate sized" AF points. How? I wouldn't be surprised if they added more AF points OUTSIDE of the current area that we have now.. Yes, right up to the corners.. Don't tell me "why would they do that? That's ridiculous!".. It's not... Just look at the Theta 360.. LOL! Pentax is innovative remember? Problem is, their definition of innovation is screwed up..

09-10-2013, 12:29 AM	#83
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by ricardoruca Hi everybody! In one month the k3 24 Mpx will be announced. New AF with more focusing points. It's a fact. For all you need a Full Frame camera, you'll have to wait to mid 2014. Best regards Even sparrows under the barn roof know that. What you say is a common knowledge. Tell us something we already don't know, say, how many AF points there will be in a new camera? And how the new AF system will be named?

09-10-2013, 12:41 AM	#84
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by SyncGuy Bad news: You CAN increase AF points and still keep the same "dinner plate sized" AF points. How? I wouldn't be surprised if they added more AF points OUTSIDE of the current area that we have now.. Yes, right up to the corners.. Don't tell me "why would they do that? That's ridiculous!".. It's not... Just look at the Theta 360.. LOL! Pentax is innovative remember? Problem is, their definition of innovation is screwed up.. My bad, I'll fix that in an instant: Pentax can't increase the AF points count and still keep the same "dinner plate sized" AF points. Because you can (assuming DSLR R&D and production capacities available); but you're no Pentax

09-10-2013, 12:46 AM	#85
SyncGuy Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 821	Originally posted by Kunzite My bad, I'll fix that in an instant: Pentax can't increase the AF points count and still keep the same "dinner plate sized" AF points. Because you can (assuming DSLR R&D and production capacities available); but you're no Pentax Hahaha! Pentax sure can.. ;P At the end of the day, let's just go out and shoot with our gears and leave it to them whatever they wanna do. When the time does really come, then we'll start another "dream" thread on what Pentax should do..

09-10-2013, 01:36 AM	#86
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Oh, yeah, mocking Pentax for things that can only happen in your imagination. You're a true Pentaxian!

09-10-2013, 01:38 AM	#87
ricardoruca Forum Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Spain Posts: 64	Originally posted by SyncGuy Erm... Clarifications in some of the points: 1) Announcement don't mean s**t until the actual product is shown, especially coming from Pentax. (they can announce 1 gigapixel sensor, no one cares until it materializes) 2) More AF point with dinner plate sized AF area is still retarded 3) I believe you have it wrong here... Coming from Pentax or Ricoh or whatever related to Pentax, they mean year 2041 or it could actually mean you'll have to wait another 2014 years for it to come. Summarily, just shoot with whatever you have and/or can afford. Be it crop, m4/3, FF or MF. If you really want FF, it's here already but they have another name for it, Canon/Nikon or CaNikon in short. I feel that you have 0 trust in my words. I can understand it. There is only a rumor. Remember my nick. When Ricoh announced the K3, you can ask me some news about the FF prepared for the 2014.

09-10-2013, 03:07 AM	#88
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	The K-3 cannot have the same 16mp sensor as the K-5II - it's not commercially viable/marketable in an APS-C DSLR in late 2013/early 2014 to have a >three year old sensor. No matter how good it might be - it will get highlighted in reviews. Equally it would only be slightly more acceptable for the AF system to remain entirely the same the as the K-5II. From these two points it is not hard to predict 24mp and more AF points. It's the extras that everyone is interested in - like body design, any new tricks with the SR mechanism, viewfinder bells and whilstles. The actually core photographic specs are not going to surprise.

09-10-2013, 03:24 AM	#89
CtrlAltDel_ru New Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 20	Originally posted by ricardoruca I feel that you have 0 trust in my words. ...When Ricoh announced the K3, you can ask me some news about the FF prepared for the... 2XXX year? I will be too old

09-10-2013, 05:12 AM	#90
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	Originally posted by Caat The K-3 cannot have the same 16mp sensor as the K-5II - it's not commercially viable/marketable in an APS-C DSLR in late 2013/early 2014 to have a >three year old sensor. No matter how good it might be - it will get highlighted in reviews. Equally it would only be slightly more acceptable for the AF system to remain entirely the same the as the K-5II. From these two points it is not hard to predict 24mp and more AF points. It's the extras that everyone is interested in - like body design, any new tricks with the SR mechanism, viewfinder bells and whilstles. The actually core photographic specs are not going to surprise. I'm sure you're right and those kind of specs have long been a good bet on a higher-level APS-C K series camera. One unknown, however, is on-sensor PDAF. Another could be whether Pentax introduce just one new camera or two. One to replace the K5 series at about that price and another one notch up. For example, the lower one could use a 20 mp sensor and the upper one could use a 24 mp sensor with lots of bells and whistles such as dual card slots, more focus points, et al. For myself, a really good 20 mp sensor in something very similar to a K5 design but with a new iteration of SAFOX would be plenty. The 16 mp sensor in the original K5 still produces amazing quality.