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kadajawi · 09-30-2013, 11:42 PM

I'd rather have the sensor size increased with the sensor shift function (including a wider range of movement). Basically a sensor shift system that can move the sensor to cover the area of a 35mm sensor. Then implement a function that can rapidly take enough photos to cover the whole area. No need for any in camera stitching, I just want the raw photos, PTGui can do the rest. And make it so that I can combine functions, i.e. do an exposure row with the sensor shift function.

Clavius · 10-01-2013, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by kadajawi

I'd rather have the sensor size increased with the sensor shift function (including a wider range of movement). Basically a sensor shift system that can move the sensor to cover the area of a 35mm sensor. Then implement a function that can rapidly take enough photos to cover the whole area. No need for any in camera stitching, I just want the raw photos, PTGui can do the rest. And make it so that I can combine functions, i.e. do an exposure row with the sensor shift function.

But... You can already do this without the sensor shift. Quite easily too, without being limited to the range of sensor movement. And with current Pentax cameras, you can even do that handheld. See Brenizer method.

It's also a bit about impact. The rumored technology will cause the K-3 to be labelled as a 40mp camera, no matter if that is in fact true or false.

Barry Pearson · 10-01-2013, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

But... You can already do this without the sensor shift. Quite easily too, without being limited to the range of sensor movement. And with current Pentax cameras, you can even do that handheld. See Breziner method.

Thanks for that reference - very interesting and impressive. But people should search for "Brenizer Method".

Clavius · 10-01-2013, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by Barry Pearson

Thanks for that reference - very interesting and impressive. But people should search for "Brenizer Method".

Fixed! Thanks, I always mess that up. It's fun to do. There's seperate forum thread about it somewhere here.

Fogel70 · 10-01-2013, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by Barry Pearson

Thanks for that reference - very interesting and impressive. But people should search for "Brenizer Method".

IMO this is a better way of adding resolution, and as I wrote earlier in this thread, I would prefer camera with built in aid for stitching.
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/237866-pentax-k3-40-mp...ml#post2522731

If the camera help you aim you shot when stitching many shots, you would not need as much overlap so it would mean less shots needed and less risk of failure.

kadajawi · 10-01-2013, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

But... You can already do this without the sensor shift. Quite easily too, without being limited to the range of sensor movement. And with current Pentax cameras, you can even do that handheld. See Brenizer method.

It's also a bit about impact. The rumored technology will cause the K-3 to be labelled as a 40mp camera, no matter if that is in fact true or false.

Not really. Sensor shift would be an automated system that can easily be stitched together. But doing panoramas (and if I understand the Brenizer method correctly that's what it is, a panorama, just with certain constraints giving a special look) is a pain in the *** as soon as there are objects that are near and far... the nodal point will give you some serious problems. Now I do have a nodal point adapter, but these things are usually pretty damn expensive for a bit of metal with some screws...

Still, very interesting idea, thanks for that. I might want to find the nodal point of my 50 1.8...

Class A · 10-07-2013, 05:08 PM

The German K-3 page has an illustration for the new AA-filter simulation technique.

So there is "sensor shift" but apparently not for increasing resolution but "just" for simulating a Bayer-AA-filter.

Barry Pearson · 10-07-2013, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by Class A

The German K-3 page has an illustration for the new AA-filter simulation technique.

So there is "sensor shift" but apparently not for increasing resolution but "just" for simulating a Bayer-AA-filter.

So does the English K-3 page.

Louicio · 10-07-2013, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Class A

The German K-3 page has an illustration for the new AA-filter simulation technique.

So there is "sensor shift" but apparently not for increasing resolution but "just" for simulating a Bayer-AA-filter.

It is still possible if the camera was fast enough to take two seperate shutters. not this camera but we can wait and see if it happens later =)

10-01-2013, 01:56 AM	#122
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,147	Originally posted by kadajawi I'd rather have the sensor size increased with the sensor shift function (including a wider range of movement). Basically a sensor shift system that can move the sensor to cover the area of a 35mm sensor. Then implement a function that can rapidly take enough photos to cover the whole area. No need for any in camera stitching, I just want the raw photos, PTGui can do the rest. And make it so that I can combine functions, i.e. do an exposure row with the sensor shift function. But... You can already do this without the sensor shift. Quite easily too, without being limited to the range of sensor movement. And with current Pentax cameras, you can even do that handheld. See Brenizer method. It's also a bit about impact. The rumored technology will cause the K-3 to be labelled as a 40mp camera, no matter if that is in fact true or false. Last edited by Clavius; 10-01-2013 at 03:32 AM.

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09-30-2013, 11:42 PM	#121
kadajawi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,799	I'd rather have the sensor size increased with the sensor shift function (including a wider range of movement). Basically a sensor shift system that can move the sensor to cover the area of a 35mm sensor. Then implement a function that can rapidly take enough photos to cover the whole area. No need for any in camera stitching, I just want the raw photos, PTGui can do the rest. And make it so that I can combine functions, i.e. do an exposure row with the sensor shift function.

10-01-2013, 02:36 AM	#123
Barry Pearson Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Stockport Posts: 964	Originally posted by Clavius But... You can already do this without the sensor shift. Quite easily too, without being limited to the range of sensor movement. And with current Pentax cameras, you can even do that handheld. See Breziner method. Thanks for that reference - very interesting and impressive. But people should search for "Brenizer Method".

10-01-2013, 03:31 AM	#124
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,147	Originally posted by Barry Pearson Thanks for that reference - very interesting and impressive. But people should search for "Brenizer Method". Fixed! Thanks, I always mess that up. It's fun to do. There's seperate forum thread about it somewhere here.

10-01-2013, 07:55 AM	#125
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,043	Originally posted by Barry Pearson Thanks for that reference - very interesting and impressive. But people should search for "Brenizer Method". IMO this is a better way of adding resolution, and as I wrote earlier in this thread, I would prefer camera with built in aid for stitching. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/237866-pentax-k3-40-mp...ml#post2522731 If the camera help you aim you shot when stitching many shots, you would not need as much overlap so it would mean less shots needed and less risk of failure.

10-01-2013, 12:49 PM	#126
kadajawi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,799	Originally posted by Clavius But... You can already do this without the sensor shift. Quite easily too, without being limited to the range of sensor movement. And with current Pentax cameras, you can even do that handheld. See Brenizer method. It's also a bit about impact. The rumored technology will cause the K-3 to be labelled as a 40mp camera, no matter if that is in fact true or false. Not really. Sensor shift would be an automated system that can easily be stitched together. But doing panoramas (and if I understand the Brenizer method correctly that's what it is, a panorama, just with certain constraints giving a special look) is a pain in the *** as soon as there are objects that are near and far... the nodal point will give you some serious problems. Now I do have a nodal point adapter, but these things are usually pretty damn expensive for a bit of metal with some screws... Still, very interesting idea, thanks for that. I might want to find the nodal point of my 50 1.8...

10-07-2013, 05:08 PM	#127
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,241	The German K-3 page has an illustration for the new AA-filter simulation technique. So there is "sensor shift" but apparently not for increasing resolution but "just" for simulating a Bayer-AA-filter.

10-07-2013, 05:55 PM	#128
Barry Pearson Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Stockport Posts: 964	Originally posted by Class A The German K-3 page has an illustration for the new AA-filter simulation technique. So there is "sensor shift" but apparently not for increasing resolution but "just" for simulating a Bayer-AA-filter. So does the English K-3 page.

10-07-2013, 09:06 PM	#129
Louicio Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Melbourne Posts: 432	Originally posted by Class A The German K-3 page has an illustration for the new AA-filter simulation technique. So there is "sensor shift" but apparently not for increasing resolution but "just" for simulating a Bayer-AA-filter. It is still possible if the camera was fast enough to take two seperate shutters. not this camera but we can wait and see if it happens later =)

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