Big Lens and Big News Coming

carrrlangas · 09-24-2013, 10:19 PM

@catastrophe @ElJamoquio @Smeggypants

May I be curious, what do you guys want/need even more DR for?

Are 24x36mm sensors still that much better regarding DR?

thibs · 09-24-2013, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by carrrlangas

@catastrophe @ElJamoquio @Smeggypants

May I be curious, what do you guys want/need even more DR for?

Are 24x36mm sensors still that much better regarding DR?

Low Iso, no. High Iso, yes.

Smeggypants · 09-25-2013, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by carrrlangas

@catastrophe @ElJamoquio @Smeggypants

May I be curious, what do you guys want/need even more DR for?

So I can take pictures in lower light with faster shutter speeds and smaller apertures.

6BQ5 · 09-25-2013, 06:20 AM

Forget FF! I want 16-bit color depth!

That'll turn heads.

derekkite · 09-25-2013, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by carrrlangas

@catastrophe @ElJamoquio @Smeggypants

May I be curious, what do you guys want/need even more DR for?

Are 24x36mm sensors still that much better regarding DR?

I regularly run into shots where there are blown highlights AND dark sections with only noise. So you have to choose which ones you want. Wider DR would be nice.

All these improvements are going to be marginal. Slight improvements around the edges, where most shots and shooters would not see much difference. A friend told me of his film days how much money and effort was expended just for a stop of light.

Smeggypants · 09-25-2013, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by derekkite

I regularly run into shots where there are blown highlights AND dark sections with only noise. So you have to choose which ones you want. Wider DR would be nice.

All these improvements are going to be marginal. Slight improvements around the edges, where most shots and shooters would not see much difference. A friend told me of his film days how much money and effort was expended just for a stop of light.

Well that wasn't the case when the K-5 appeared. it had a nearly 3 stop improvement over k-7 and k-20D. I do suspect we won't get the same huge improvement for a while though.

Mazhe · 09-25-2013, 10:58 AM

I exchanged my K5 with a 5D mark II for a week : while I prefered the colors of the K5, luminance dynamic range was way superior. Also, bigger goddamn viewfinder! And, 24mm as ultra-wide rocks. period. That alone would justify the investment.

ElJamoquio · 09-25-2013, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by carrrlangas

@catastrophe @ElJamoquio @Smeggypants

May I be curious, what do you guys want/need even more DR for?

Are 24x36mm sensors still that much better regarding DR?

I didn't say I wanted more DR, but I do. In a basic sense, FF doesn't give an advantage with DR.

LFLee · 09-25-2013, 12:11 PM

Maybe..... just maybe.... PENTAX DSLR can now submerge in water up to 15m.

Make loyal pentaxian happy? I think I will be happy if...

Full-frame announcement!

Less happy but OK:
K-3
- amazing AF speed;
- full video control, 1080 60p;
- amazing iso performance, max iso is more than 1k;
- AA filter-less is now a standard (any artifacts can be correct in camera);
- Build in WIFI and GPS;
- Highly customizable menu/buttons like GR;
- Good focus peaking.

mamethot · 09-25-2013, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by LFLee

Less happy but OK:
K-3
- amazing AF speed;

I hope they aim for the ludicrous speed...

Vylen · 09-25-2013, 03:08 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mamethot

I hope they aim for the ludicrous speed...

It focuses for you even before you press a button.

**boriscleto** · 09-25-2013, 03:10 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mamethot

I hope they aim for the ludicrous speed...

There's no way I'm ever going to plaid.

mamethot · 09-25-2013, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Vylen

It focuses for you even before you press a button.

Actually, that might be a breakthrough...it focuses on precisely what you're looking at, a specific point in the viewfinder, without having to press halfway on the shutter button!

**monochrome** · 09-25-2013, 03:22 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mamethot

Actually, that might be a breakthrough...it focuses on precisely what you're looking at, a specific point in the viewfinder, without having to press halfway on the shutter button!

Viewfinder? Viewfinder? We don't need no stinking Viewfinder!! It focuses where I'm LOOKING!!

Na Horuk · 09-25-2013, 03:27 PM

Actually, considering many smartphones and tables have the capability of determining where you are looking (what line you are reading, so it scrolls for you; or darkens the screen when you look away from it) - this might be possible. You would still need to hold the camera close to your face. And make sure it doesnt pick up someone else's eyes

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09-24-2013, 10:19 PM	#31
carrrlangas Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Joensuu (Finland) Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,761	@catastrophe @ElJamoquio @Smeggypants May I be curious, what do you guys want/need even more DR for? Are 24x36mm sensors still that much better regarding DR?

09-24-2013, 11:00 PM	#32
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by carrrlangas @catastrophe @ElJamoquio @Smeggypants May I be curious, what do you guys want/need even more DR for? Are 24x36mm sensors still that much better regarding DR? Low Iso, no. High Iso, yes.

09-25-2013, 06:06 AM	#33
Smeggypants Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,536	Originally posted by carrrlangas @catastrophe @ElJamoquio @Smeggypants May I be curious, what do you guys want/need even more DR for? So I can take pictures in lower light with faster shutter speeds and smaller apertures.

09-25-2013, 06:20 AM	#34
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	Forget FF! I want 16-bit color depth! That'll turn heads.

09-25-2013, 06:33 AM	#35
derekkite Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nelson B.C. Posts: 3,782	Originally posted by carrrlangas @catastrophe @ElJamoquio @Smeggypants May I be curious, what do you guys want/need even more DR for? Are 24x36mm sensors still that much better regarding DR? I regularly run into shots where there are blown highlights AND dark sections with only noise. So you have to choose which ones you want. Wider DR would be nice. All these improvements are going to be marginal. Slight improvements around the edges, where most shots and shooters would not see much difference. A friend told me of his film days how much money and effort was expended just for a stop of light.

09-25-2013, 08:50 AM	#36
Smeggypants Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,536	Originally posted by derekkite I regularly run into shots where there are blown highlights AND dark sections with only noise. So you have to choose which ones you want. Wider DR would be nice. All these improvements are going to be marginal. Slight improvements around the edges, where most shots and shooters would not see much difference. A friend told me of his film days how much money and effort was expended just for a stop of light. Well that wasn't the case when the K-5 appeared. it had a nearly 3 stop improvement over k-7 and k-20D. I do suspect we won't get the same huge improvement for a while though.

09-25-2013, 10:58 AM	#37
Mazhe Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 139	I exchanged my K5 with a 5D mark II for a week : while I prefered the colors of the K5, luminance dynamic range was way superior. Also, bigger goddamn viewfinder! And, 24mm as ultra-wide rocks. period. That alone would justify the investment.

09-25-2013, 11:36 AM	#38
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by carrrlangas @catastrophe @ElJamoquio @Smeggypants May I be curious, what do you guys want/need even more DR for? Are 24x36mm sensors still that much better regarding DR? I didn't say I wanted more DR, but I do. In a basic sense, FF doesn't give an advantage with DR.

09-25-2013, 12:11 PM	#39
LFLee Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,292	Maybe..... just maybe.... PENTAX DSLR can now submerge in water up to 15m. Make loyal pentaxian happy? I think I will be happy if... Full-frame announcement! Less happy but OK: K-3 - amazing AF speed; - full video control, 1080 60p; - amazing iso performance, max iso is more than 1k; - AA filter-less is now a standard (any artifacts can be correct in camera); - Build in WIFI and GPS; - Highly customizable menu/buttons like GR; - Good focus peaking.

09-25-2013, 03:04 PM	#40
mamethot Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Greater Montreal Area Posts: 736	Originally posted by LFLee Less happy but OK: K-3 - amazing AF speed; I hope they aim for the ludicrous speed...

09-25-2013, 03:08 PM - 1 Like	#41
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	Originally posted by mamethot I hope they aim for the ludicrous speed... It focuses for you even before you press a button.

09-25-2013, 03:10 PM - 1 Like	#42
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by mamethot I hope they aim for the ludicrous speed... There's no way I'm ever going to plaid.

09-25-2013, 03:10 PM	#43
mamethot Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Greater Montreal Area Posts: 736	Originally posted by Vylen It focuses for you even before you press a button. Actually, that might be a breakthrough...it focuses on precisely what you're looking at, a specific point in the viewfinder, without having to press halfway on the shutter button!

09-25-2013, 03:22 PM - 1 Like	#44
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by mamethot Actually, that might be a breakthrough...it focuses on precisely what you're looking at, a specific point in the viewfinder, without having to press halfway on the shutter button! Viewfinder? Viewfinder? We don't need no stinking Viewfinder!! It focuses where I'm LOOKING!!

09-25-2013, 03:27 PM	#45
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Actually, considering many smartphones and tables have the capability of determining where you are looking (what line you are reading, so it scrolls for you; or darkens the screen when you look away from it) - this might be possible. You would still need to hold the camera close to your face. And make sure it doesnt pick up someone else's eyes